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A definitive look into tank stats and why Seaside is FTW

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by Caliber, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:17 AM.

  1. Caliber

    Caliber SkipL0rd and GLEX warrior VIP

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    So for this installment of caliber school, we will see the benefit of TYPE MITIGATION ,and how a little bit stacks to be a TON!! let’s look at some tank stats, now we will be comparing some tanks, but that’s not the point of this exercise, I want to show the difference that Seaside Nichol can make and why any tank is sufficient with him

    Let’s start off with 3 tanks

    Wilhelm
    Siegherd
    Lilith (stats as a phys tank)

    They will all have the same basic build via ffbe equip
    Bis
    No stmr
    No item world
    Looking for max ehp defense
    Here are our builds

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    Wilhelm 33.9 mill ehp
    Sieghard 37.5 mill ehp
    Lilith 21.6 mill ehp

    Now I was going to add Yuraishas 20% type but it’s so woefully weak, I just can’t, and when I say weak, I mean like 66 mill hp weaker after buffs, so let’s take Zarg with 150% buff and assume he has primal instincts for a 30% type physical mitigation

    So these builds will have

    70% cover mitigate
    150% def buff
    30% type mitigate

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    Wilhelm 208 mill ehp
    Sieghard 227 mill ehp
    Lilith 135 mill ehp OUCH

    Now let’s see what SEASODE NICHOL CAN DO

    we will jump the buff from 150 to 170%
    We will jump the type mitigation from 30 to 40%


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    Wilhelm jumps from 208 mill to 250 mill 42 mill difference
    Sieghard jumps from 227mill to 273 mill 46 mill difference
    Lilith jumps from 135mill to 163 mill 28 mill difference

    So yes , let’s understand 10% extra type mitigation and 20% extra buff from Seasode Nichol makes a 46 million ehp difference on Sieghard, more than his total max bis ehp before buffs!!!!

    Now let’s not leave Lilith hanging, let’s give her a 65% type mitigation from hypnotic presence

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    280 million ehp! Even bypassing the great Sieghard for one turn!!!

    Type mitigation is where it’s at and makes a HUGE difference

    Moral of the story, stacked type mitigation ftw, an extra 10% can make over 40 million ehp difference!

    65% on Lilith made a 117million ehp difference!

    Just as a FYI Yuraisha is incoming who can also buff 170% def and 20% type mitigate

    Punching that into the calculator makes her buff 66 MILLION ehp weaker than what Seaside Nichol can provide on Sieghard YUCK

    I hope this helps people to understand the power of stacking mitigation a little better and see why Seaside is FTW!
     
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    Pretty much why I'm leveling and enhancing Veritas of the Waters now.
     
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    Zzaaiidd Ascended Member

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    he is even better with DPS units based on def/ spr , i just checked FD viktor he gains 60% more dmg with 170% boost
     
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    matt_b Ascended Member

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    General+Type+Cover is crazy. Utilizing these to their fullest is very rewarding.
     
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  5. Caliber

    Caliber SkipL0rd and GLEX warrior VIP

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    Seasides extra 10% in type being able to go to 40% multiplies to sooooo much more
     
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    oh ok! so hoarding hard for Ignacio!
     
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    Pirate Jake Ascended Member

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    Content is so piss easy,Idk if I'd even bother pulling hard or UoC any of these people mentioned. Never bothered with any mitigation source and it's still a walk in the park with just breaker+tank . As much overkill for me as STMRs would be.
     
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    Hmm, Caliber are you Skipl0rd or a Seasidel0rd?
    ::thonk::
     
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  9. Caliber

    Caliber SkipL0rd and GLEX warrior VIP

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    Yeah. I worked in a small musical instrument shop for the better part of a decade and that is one of the industries where customers just assume everything is marked up 400% (hint: if you're shopping local, it's not) so they haggle HARD. I would have to explain quite frequently how if I give a 10% discount on the price of that drum kit you're looking at, it is a 30% discount to the profit I stand to make from the sale.

    10% goes a LONG way.
     
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    Demo Light Weight, BAABBBYYYY!!!!! VIP

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    Man... Caliber is worried about some new meta unit. He is just desperately trying to justify the superiority of his units of choice... :P
     
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    Why use primal instinct 30% physical mitigation over pod 153 Ao6o: P shield with a 40% physical mitigation on Zargs buff?
     
  13. Caliber

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    Cause 2 turns is way too hard to keep up

    All buffs were 3 turn
     
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    Ashlag Buy the Gil bundle. Do it. Now. Staff Member Moderator VIP Supporter

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    The second one is only 2 turns long. Among other things.

    And... Yeah, but so what ? Typed mitigation is great, but tanks are already so tanky for the current content that you'll never really need the different between let's say 30 and 40% if you build the tanks accordingly to the trial. Even 20% can do the job more than fine.
    Use mitigation and whatever typed mitigation if you, cause using it all together can do rather dumb stuff, but if you are using a 7* tank you are most likely fine already with buff, mitigation and eventually weak typed mitigation. Nichol is cool... If your units are too weak to survive without having his level of buffs. Don't get me wrong, he is good, but I have 0 uses for him.

    What's more interesting is having that mitigation on the other units too for the possible damages that will go through IMO.

    Also, why include that one turn on Lilith and not talk about the "no, I'm not dying today" CD on Sieg and Wilhelm ? On that turn, they are just immortal.
     
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    every 2 turns can get tight on zargarble. Tho mainly the reason i have pod on another char.1) If there is phys shitstorm inbound pop zargs LB 2.) and the Healer or breaker can put in that shield.3.) Profit. Watch shit pling against Heavy Armor.
     
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    Yeah i got pod on my healer too,pretty pointless to give Zarg a extra mitigation ability seems like a waste of a turn for quicking.
     
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    Not hard to keep up just gets you locked into LB and Ao6o:P shield
    But then i use the pod on healer so i don't get locked :P
     
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    Ashlag Buy the Gil bundle. Do it. Now. Staff Member Moderator VIP Supporter

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    Uh just saying, but keeping up every 2 turns a 40 crysts LB ain't exactly easy ^^
     
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    Because I wasn’t including it as a “comparison” to the other tanks, it was more of a look how much of a difference 25% makes kinda thing
     
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    My Zarg is equiped to get more LB crysts + my tank and healer can entrust and also my healer carries eccentrick pretty easy to maintain tbh
     

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