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Barbie the Support Unit

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by Barroth, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:55 AM.

  1. Barroth

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    To summarize we know she is a good DPS but not number one. In the absence of Roy/Ramza and other bards she might be a good MP battery/support in some instances.

    Was thinking an SPR build could look like this which would still have enough mag for side DPS.

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    700 mag isn't terrible and 800 spr is definitely not and could go higher with a pure SPR build (910 spr). Assuming a rotation of Cyclone Storm, Refreshing wind, DC magic, DC magic i think she could be pretty nice. You might even what to drop the cyclone storm and pair with Soleil. This would give you the stat boost and only lose out on some extra HP regen.

    Mathsy bit (shout if i messed up)

    Assuming my build SPR of 796, mag 697
    Skill is:
    Refresh (12 MP, 0.3x) split over 3 turns to all allies
    Heal (1200 HP, 10x) split over 3 turns to all allies


    MP regen per turn is (12 + 0.3x(0.5x796 + 0.1x697)) = 12+140/3 = 50MP/turn
    HP regen per turn is (1200 + 10x(0.5x796 + 0.1x697)) = 1200+4670/3 = 1956HP/Turn

    with 100%mag/spr boost from soleil
    MP regen per turn is (12 + 0.3x(0.5x962 + 0.1x982)) = 12+173/3 = 61MP/turn
    HP regen per turn is (1200 + 10x(0.5x962 + 0.1x982)) = 1200+5790/3 = 2330HP/Turn

    If used after Cyclone Shield, Storm Ward:
    Refresh (24 MP, 0.3x) split over 3 turns to all allies
    Heal (2400 HP, 20x) split over 3 turns to all allies

    MP regen per turn is (24 + 0.3x(0.5x962 + 0.1x982)) = 24+173/3 = 65MP/turn
    HP regen per turn is (2400 + 10x(0.5x962 + 0.1x982)) = 2400+5790/3 = 2730HP/Turn

    Not sure how this compares with other units like lunera or charlotte but seems decent to me

    Edit. forgot the HP mod changes to 20x after cyclone shield.
    HP regen per turn is (2400 + 20x(0.5x962 + 0.1x982)) = 2400+11544/3 = 4648HP/Turn

    That's insane
     
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    This seems to be a good one. Besides Ace and Tilith, I think she is the second to have more than 50 MP/turn. Good to know. ::rudecat11::
    I can build her like that for some bosses.
     
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    What I like also is the freedom to do other things for those turns.
     
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    Don't forget WWFina::boco::
     
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    I don't have her, and I didn't know that she have such skill. But you need to enhance? If yes, Barbie wins because she does not need ;)
     
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    She is a far better side dps than WWFina though.

    This is true, but the advantage is that you can just cast it and do whatever you want in the mean time. 50 mp/turn is nothing to laugh at, and being able to do some DPS job at the same time is just good. Far better than Ace from this point of view btw, as if you want to do some DPS you completely drop the mp regen. This is compensated by the variable refresh, with the 120 mp refresh you can drop the mp regen to do some DPS without losses. Still, I prefer Ace but this is an underestimated part of Barb IMO.
     
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    You're right, but you must add the Hp regen, which comes in hand for those people which does not have top tier healers, like Ayaka and Tilith.
     
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    Inichol also easily gets to 50-60+ mp a turn.
     
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    So we have a lot of MP batteries, yay! ::rudecat1::
     
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    Nice, Didn't know she could do that. Babie got much more beneath that tiny bra.
     
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    That is behind lb though. It' hard to build for spr and lb. @crazyturkey has what I would think bus I.nichol is (8k hp and lb build) but that only has ~450spr.

    Rough maths say maxed lb like that is about 45mp per turn. Nothing to sneeze at just highlighting yours seems a little toppy
     
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    Neat, MP batteries.
    I have Ace and WWFina, though, not Barbie. But if I get her, might see how this set works (if I ever get the stuff, that is...)
     
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    guys, go with queen...
     
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    7million gil! (And I need to pull her first) :-p
     
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    Queen is expensive as hell to enhance and is a dumpster fire otherwise.
     
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    You can skip the devastate enhancement though :D
     
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    To be completely fair, the way that Ace and Tilith replenish MP is much better than the way that Barb, iNichol, Noctis, etc.

    For one action Barb, iNichol may give much more MP in total, the fact is that Ace and Tilith give MP to use that current turn.

    So for most events, Barb will be better than Ace, but there are certainly times were Ace is a more preferable MP battery.
     
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    Quite hijacking my Barbie thread with your dirty queen ideas.

    You are just jealous because queens narks are all covered up.
     
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    I think to be fairer one could say Ace is better for most events but Barbie is preferred for certain times.
     
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    Fair point, but given the choice between Ace and Queen, I'll take Ace every time.
     

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