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Cecil still relevant? Should I replace?

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by Lastwindstrider, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:08 AM.

  1. Lastwindstrider

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    Hi and good evening my fellow adventurers! Can I ask for a few info regarding Cecil? Is he still relevant in the game as a beginner to mid game tanker? I awakened him at max and got his TMR. But if I ever got other 5 star tanks, should I replace him?
     
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    Are we talking the GL 3* base Cecil? If so, then literally any 5* tank will be insurmountably better
     
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    Yup the 3* cecil that I awakened to 6*
     
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    Same as above. You get a single 5* tank, replace Cecil. He's fine if you really have no other options, but once you get another option, that option is better.

    IIRC, I don't think there's a single 3* still relevant today..
     
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    Cecil is looooooong past due.

    he does nothing to prevent your team from dying for current standards.
    you have multiple 4* base tanks that will vastly overperform him such as Warrior of Light, Mystea, Shylt, Veritas of the Earth and a ton of others that came out after 7* meta was a thing, so I don't even know who they are at this point....

    but, regardless, almost any tank in any rarity you can think of will easily outperform Cecil at everything, he´s just too old to be relevant at anything.
     
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    Definitely get a new tank lol
     
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    The best units in every role are 5* base. But it takes a long time (or a lot of money) to get to the point where your entire roster is populated with 5* base units.

    Unfortunately for you, Cecil doesn't really have any of the tools required for the tank role. Tanks either need provoke+evasion, provoke+mitigation, passive draw attacks (and the gear to get that to 100%), aoe magic cover, or aoe physical cover. (And which of those you need will vary by the fight you are in.) Cecil doesn't have any of these. (In my opinion, he was never a relevant tank. Protecting one random unit never really cut it.) There are some 4* tanks which can serve you or a while: Veritas of Earth/Warrior of Light for physical and Mystea/Shylt/Latyl for magical.

    My personal progression was to get aoe chainers first (I used two Amelia) and did the weekly events using a friend unit as a finisher. I couldn't do more than the first few trials till I got my first 5* base tank (Basch). It took me about a 18 months to get enough 5* base units and the resources to equip them so that I could do everything in the game. It was a satisfyingly steady progression the entire time.
     
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    I mean, if we are talking story, then it literally doesn't matter what you use as story is pretty easy.
    Trials on the other hand...no, Cecil will not cut it for anything beyond the basics
     
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    Unfortunately no, he's essentially trash now. Power creep has long since left him in the dust and nowadays only 7* tanks will do, with the possible exception of Liquid Metal Slime if you have the proper TMR/STMR to gear it.
     
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    That's not true, but you need to remember we didn't have AoE cover back then, so jumping in front of another unit was the closest thing to tanking we got. Also made great combo with Snow's autovoke. We had to wait for WoL 6* to finally have a better tank.
     
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    No, not relevant at all sadly.
     
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    I had better luck bringing an extra support or more damage. But I was also pretty far from the meta at the time.
     
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    CG Cecil is the top magic tank in jp.... ::rudecat10::::rudecat10:: is he still relevant? ::rudecat10::::rudecat10::
     
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    For beginner stuff he is serviceable but as others said if you happen to pull a 5* tank immediately replace him - heck if you happen to get WoL he is an easy replace for Cecil until you get a 5* tank
     
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    No, Cecil is bad. He doesn't have active cover or provoke.

    Even Libertus or Charlotte are better choices if we are talking about budget 3★ tanker.
     
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    Honestly, units released post-Cecil are going to be better tanks, if you haven't pulled any 5* units yet. 5* units in general are all applicable once they hit level 100; they are just missing some special cooldowns that make them tankier or more niche.

    If you are looking solely for physical tanks, then you actually do have some options for non 5* tanks:

    Leopold - takes more damage than Cecil but he can help build chains; can also provoke
    Warrior of Light - more options for gear, and can break (but his DEF is less than Cecil); can also provoke
    Libertus - he has entrust, which is amazing; his provoke has built-in mitigation which is very nice
    Charlotte - excellent MP battery kit skill, and she can heal with her LB
    Rasler - like Leopold, he can build chains; he also has heal spells (up to Curaga) like Cecil

    In the end, you pick what you need. If you don't have any 5* physical cover tanks, don't despair as there are options depending on what is missing in your team. At this point, most of the max 6* tanks have had enhancements (except for Libertus and Leopold) so they stand on pretty much the same ground but have different kits.
     
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    I would argue that the reason that Cecil was actually good back in the day wasn't because he was a tank, it was because he was a second healer in an era when the first healer couldn't top off the party on their own. It's just that it didn't occur to people to actually run a second healer back then, but Cecil kinda slipped by because people thought he was doing a different job.

    The random deaths that would occur in that era were usually because the boss targeted one unit too many times with random basic attacks (without provoke tanks, these would just get scattered around the party), and Cecil did very little to help with that, because there was no guarantee that the one unit he tried to cover would be the same unit that the boss decided to shit on that turn.

    Looking back at the history of FFBE, I think that people were really bad at teambuilding in general (and, for the record, I was no exception). We ran teams with 3+ damage dealers even on incredibly hard content and then gasped in surprise as the bosses wrecked us. And we brought that many DPS because it was a race to kill the boss before we ran out of MP... but we would have been better off just bringing Rosa instead, and using her LB to keep people going.

    Looking back, I think that in an era before chainers and AoE cover tanks, the best possible budget team comp might have been 2x Snow + Rosa + Refia + someone with Full Break + a friend 5* base damage dealer (and just raising one Snow each turn because he'd probably die from provoking). But instead people were doing things like Chizuru x3 + Refia + Cecil + Vaan, and getting wrecked.
     
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