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Crowe and Rasler TMR still Bis or have they been powercrept?

Discussion in 'Equipment & Abilities' started by Stavros, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Stavros

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    So, trying to prioritise my TMR farming.

    Most of my moogles are going to new 7* tmr for the ability boosts.

    I have one of each and wondering about farming more of these.
    Have they been replaced with better alternatives?
     
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    i have 4 from rassler and 3 from crowe. they are excellent tmrs for support and tanker. i dont know about future tmr or stmr but they are still useful for me.

    and patriotic recall is really suitable for wilhelm
     
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    i can get 1300 DEF and 21k HP w patriotic recalls on wilhelm so i dont think they are powercrept
     
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    The question was more whether there are better TMR that perform the same or similar jobs.

    Bearing in mind that I will have to moogle them, whereas I could invest in 2 x protector of lapis instead of two thirst.

    I run my only patriotic on MRamza, he already hits 17.5k hp and 1250 def, so unsure if he needs any more or not.
     
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    It depends. You'll always have some slots for those. As TMR those are still a solid choice. There are some STMR purely superior on all aspects, and some trials rewards comparable but that's it.
     
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    So far I can only think of protector of lapis and energy convertor that perform in similar manners.
    Which ones are you thinking about?
     
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    Protector of Lapis is unstackable. One Protector of Lapis and one Thrist for Survival is more ideal for units that need them.
     
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    So maybe I will do one more of each then... Going to focus on tank gear for a while, just got my grand armour and building towards the scorn dragon clear.
    Are there any other great trial rewards for my tanks? (A Rain and Ramza)
    Also have a 100% Barusa moogle waiting for a container
     
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    Yes they're still the best in terms of E.HP for a 4* base TMR. there're some 5* TMR on par with these like Viktor TMR and A.Rain TMR.
     
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    Any others you can think about? I have 2 Viktor TMR and working on 2 x Rain... Hence the question if it's still worth getting these
     
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    Unless you have bunch of Viktors Marchenko's (limited unit) those tmr's are BiS
     
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    As TMR, that's about it yeah. There also is in some situations vagrant knight. But those are rather rare.
    If you take trial rewards, there are 2 working around heavy armor, one for SPR and one for DEF. Both of those are awesome.
    In term of STMR, well... This is whale domain so nope.

    The rest of the interesting defensive stuff is more about elemental resistances and defensive stats, or mix between HP and other stuff.
     
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    A few tank TMRs I can recall from trials are H Armor Arts and L Shield Arts. For me, I consider the 3x Patriotic Recall and 2x Thirst for Survival the most moogle-well-spent TMRs. They are the only set of TMRs that I always use. I can say I can manage through many trials without other TMRs, but likely not without these TMRs.
     
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    BiS is a futile effort when it come to defensive materias imo.

    The best combo will soon be something be like A.Rain TMR, Zargabubblebutt STMR, Elfreeda STMR and Basch STMR (mix-match some of those materias, there will be plenty of defensive-oriented materias in the future)... can you imagine putting those things on your healer, tank, support and breaker... this is just insane.

    That's where Crowe's and Rasler's, despite not being BiS, still have amazing value.
     
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    I think they are still viable in the future.

    I also ground out 2x Protector of Lapis, 5x Thirst for Survival and I think I have 7-8 Patriotic Recall (I hate swapping gear) and extra 10% HP here or there won't make or break most setups. Between M. Ramza, A. Rain and (my new auto provoke tank) Marquis De Leon I tend to have a fairly tight need for more of the materia without swapping it around.

    Generally A. Rains stuff is a mess as I need to change around for resist fights rather than straight spr.

    If I had access to Viktor's TMR I'd be grinding those out as well.
     
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    Lucky enough to have 2 of those here.
     
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    Nice!,i got 2 of them too :D
     
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    Awesome! This is what I was after, next build for me is Marquis then :)
    Yellow balloon, k producer, plushie + ehp mats?
     
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    I prefer using equip L shield to gauntlet as it gives me the option for safety bit that way.

    Something like

    Claw(Or HP dagger) / Plushie
    Microchu Cap / K Producer
    Open / Yellow Balloon

    Equip L Shield / Pat Recall
    Pat Recall / Pat Recall

    Made the Bahamut Exploration hilarious lol...

    edit:
    I acknowledge it already is lol.. but was my first time doing a full lap and the pre-emptives didn't bother me. Also used for raid trial to get around the Berserks.
     
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    There are other better pure Def/Spr materias. Those two bringing Hp as well is what makes them really shine. Not sure if there will be anything that make them less desirable in the future.
     
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