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DW BiS for hyoh? Is it even worth it?

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by S!D, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. S!D

    S!D Ascended Member Spooky Supporter

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    I only have 1 marshall glove and thats it for TDH. Im at like 1150 att 6* maxed..


    I want to use DW instead, but I have no idea where to start or if its worth it since everyone is TDH.

    Anyone have advice or a link to a build? Please and thankyou!!
     
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    DW is worthless you're legit better just using normal dh than going DW
     
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    I'm in the same boat--builder landed me around the same ATK with DW build ::rudecat4::
     
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    same problem i have tf29 agent for dual wielding for tdh i only have cloud tmr i have 2 dual hand though its useless
     
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    You need to tell the builder that you're going to be using W-ability; you do that by building for "Physical damage multicast". It will then almost certainly give you a DH or TDH build. Only build for "Physical Damage" if you're not going to be using "Double Blade"

    edit: Furthermore, to simulate the use of "Flame Blade" or "Voltage Blade", you should add a 60 imperil to fire and lightning (put 60 next to the down arrow; that's a new builder feature.) This way the builder can correctly weight Crimson Saber vs Revolving Saw, for example.
     
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    For him it's basically the same since he can w-cast.
     
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    Then--any reason why DH is better if you can get more ATK with DW?

    If he has DW does he use Servant of the Blade twice (saving MP vs. W-cast)?
     
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    Even with the same atack DH/TDH will give you more dammage because to calculate DW dammage you have to remove the atack off the other hand
    ex
    1100 atk with excalibur x2
    First Hit Second Hit
    (((1100-125)^2/enemy def)x Modifier x Level Correction x Weapon Variance x Final Variance x Multipliers)+(((1100-125)^2/enemy def)x Modifier x Level Correction x Weapon Variance x Final Variance x Multipliers)
    Or
    1100 atk with a 125 DH weapon and W skill
    (((1100)^2/enemy def)x Modifier x Level Correction x Weapon Variance x Final Variance x Multipliers)*2

    Dammage formula from
    https://exvius.gamepedia.com/Mechanics#Physical_Damage
     
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    Well shit so basically my reagan is better than my hyoh and my ssbfina is also wayy better even at 7*

    Wow..
     
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    Well, no. Use doublehand, a materia that was in a lot of recent events for free, Kilian's scarf, same, or the Hyoh's gauntlet from current event to complement MG. As long as you have an atk even equal to DW, you'll hit harder due to the WA. Just go for the maximum atk value. Also, you'll win a damn lot of ATK just by using his own TMR once you get to 7*, that's really impressive.


    Here I built him without any 5* TMR but his own and MG. This can be improved drastically really easily, and is already at 7* Orlandeau lvl of DPS or almost :
    Hyoh 7★
    Right hand: Flaming Blade Agni ATK+125
    Head: Bombardier's Bicorne ATK+36, DEF+31
    Body: Hyoh's Clothes ATK+28, ATK+30%, DEF+42
    Accessory 1: Marshal Glove ATK+40
    Accessory 2: Killian's Scarf ATK+20
    Materia 1: Large Sword Mastery ATK+50%
    Materia 2: Proud Fencer HP+20%, ATK+40%
    Materia 3: Adventurer V ATK+40%, DEF+40%, MAG+40%, SPR+40%
    Materia 4: Doublehand
    Esper: Titan HP+131, MP+46, ATK+103, DEF+88, MAG+43, SPR+62
    Total: HP:7021, MP:318, ATK:1309, DEF:390, MAG:232, SPR:281
     
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    W Cast seems to be way stronger than DW even if you would have lower attack on DH/TDH.

    As for me i will test the damage simply out at raid, that´s what raids are really good for.

    The issue with W Cast is the mp burns like shiat, though Hyou atleast has inner 5% mp regen while such as Prompto are a pain in the ass to use.
     
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    Alright my Hyous are 113 and 101 now and i can confirm that at 113 Hyou is already very strong on TDW build(TF29). So, ye if you want to use DW on him, he works great here at all aswell. DH/TDH is far better though, but some might not like the mp burn.

    So in the end 2 level 120 TDW/DW Hyous should be also insane. It´s just not his best build but an option. For longer battles it can be very hard for some people to sustain his mp on DH/TDH.
     
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    NEVER build a unit who has w-cast into DW, if your T/DH atk comes close to your DW atk, don’t bother going DW

    If you really want to see when your DH is better than your DW build, use this simple comparison:

    1. Take note of the attack of your planned DW build, subtract the atk of one of the weapons

    2. Now subtract the atk of the other weapon to your total DW atk build, take note of our atk (you should now have two atk values)

    3. Build your T/DH build, if your T/DH build atk is equal to/or higher than both of your DW atk that you took note, your T/DH will yield more damage
     
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    DW is fun for Dual Slash though, especially in arena. 2 maxed 7* Hyous are hilarious with that.

    Else it´s only good for pure aoe damage or if you can´t handle the mp burn on DH/TDH.

    ST Damage -> DH/TDH by far.
     
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    OMG. For those who still want to do DW, this TDW build is cracking strong:
    http://ffbeEquip.com/builder.html?server=GL#97bf6d10-ba13-11e8-8ecd-571510623095

    That´s how i´m using him currently(finally maxed him) and his LB is filled quick as hell too, i use Eccentric in addition though(Aigaion Arm has lb boost too, not sure if it stacks right now).

    DH/TDH has still more potential but this one is also veeery strong, good for Dual Slash and no mp issues.


    Btw since i use Barusa i have an additional fire imperil aoe 74% i can use way earlier than Hyous 100% one.


    And dude... his lb on dupes is hilarious. Doesn´t matter if DW or DH, it just burns any target. And the turn right after all units LBs are filled again, LOL.
     
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    Did Malboro again for the lulz now(often using this trial for dps-, tank- and support check), 2 Hyous with Dual Slash on DW with a 45% aoe break did 30% of Malboros. Didn´t even use fire imperil, so... lol, ye kinda strong aoe barrage.

    My second Hyou is still 108, so with both maxed it would be possible to 3 turn Malboros constantly with just Dual Slash and DW already xD

    Don´t know how strong aoe damage is on DH/TDH though.
     

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