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Elena the best option for bloody moon?

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by Skippy, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Skippy

    Skippy Ascended Member

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    I feel as though this fight is going to be about surviving more then dmg and the fact that Elena can get almost 800 spr/def with over 13k hp without an issue is going to help alot more then a squishy mage. On top of that she gives nice buffs with ele resist. If there's anyone going into this trial with her any tips on how to optimize her for this fight?
     
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    She is hybrid so she will deal half of her damage, even less.
    It can take forever to do it, maybe.
     
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    If u can get her up around 2700 mag with killers on I think she can hold her own.
    She has bond of light passive, grand star, and Diablos.
     
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    There was something about mitigation, how it stacks for monsters differently than for characters. I think I read Elena is not optimal because of the physical part of her damage... ::down::
     
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    Would be an amazing build, no Elena for me.

    Btw it will be a sloooooow fight
     
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    Not sure she'll be the "best" option, but I'm sure she'll be usable. I think a better option is going to be a unit like Cilka or Sol.
     
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    Actually what ive learnt from wise people of this forum, you should actually optimize attack because

    1) The "physical damage" portion isnt actually negated when calculating hybrid dmg against immune units. It is actually calculating like usually ur hybrid dmg, but that damage got literally 0,5 multiplier.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExv...ybrid_damage_and_type_immune_bosses_an_issue/

    2) Only "phys dmg portion" takes astraeas variance into account.

    Dont have any proof for this, but i actually "tested" this with equip builder and 1000atk/900mag elena does little bit more dmg than 900atk/1000mag elena regarding to builder.
     
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  9. Ferax

    Ferax Be excellent to each other & party on dudes! Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter

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    That’s what I understand from asking around the forum as well. I think it would only be better to build higher MAG if Bloody Moon had way more DEF than SPR, which is not the case. I’ll be building for as much ATK and killers as possible while trying to stay Tanky AF. I’m thinking it’s going to be a long, long slog, but if triple-casting her AR move can clear out the adds each turn, it could be doable. I’ll just have to wait out 35 flipping turns of damage immunity between all the thresholds!
     
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    What is the damage immunity all about? You mean all damage? Or the elemental type? Or Hybrid/phys?
     
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    Wow I had no idea. Good to know.
    Regardless i have to make her work because the only other mage I have is trance terra lol.
     
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    Moon has innate 100% physical immunity. When it crosses certain thresholds it puts up a 60% phys / mag mitigation buff.

    Mitigation buffs are additive for mobs instead of multiplicative.

    So for hybrids (100 +60) + 60 = 220% total mitigation. Divide by 2 to get 110% physical and magical mitigation. This results in total damage immunity anytime it throws up that buff
     
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    Thanks. VERY Good to know. I am gonna pray I can do this with BS Sakura, Elly, or Christine (I think I did the first one with her and a friend Terra).
     
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    Nahh, I don't think Hybrid is good for this fight. We know their damage will be reduced tremendously thanks to physical immunity and physical & magic mitigation. On top of that.... It's kinda a damage race once you reach the last threshold. You need to kill the apostles as soon as possible or else... Yeah, you likely will die.
     
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    Man this maybe the first trial I won't be able to beat day one...
     
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    Ferax Be excellent to each other & party on dudes! Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter

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    I agree that she’s not ideal, but I feel like she might still be capable of wiping out the adds with a triple cast of her AR chain. I very well may be wrong, but I’ll find out pretty quickly. The worst part will be the slow nature of things when the moon is immune for 5 turns at a time after each threshold. I’m not sure it will be a Damage race if the adds can be removed each turn, but I’m by no means an expert, so only time will tell.
     
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    i am praying GLS is as awesome this time as she wast last time around. so i buit one. i will be making space for members, lemme know if i need to adjust the build (build is epeen can adjust for ele res or status res)
     

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    Ferax Be excellent to each other & party on dudes! Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter

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    Sounds like the requirements are 10,000+ HP, 1,000 SPR and ~500 DEF. Also confuse Resist is very important. (At least that’s what I’ve heard around the forum today). I think you go for survival while keeping as much MAG as possible.
     
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    thanks for the tip, i will adjust
     
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    i fix it (i hope)
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    i will look at inventory and search for better but i am open for business. all apllicants apply below
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