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[Guide][Esper] Siren The Lunatic Voice

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  1. kurizu

    kurizu Fina -> Sniper Waifu <3 VIP Supporter

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    Siren is very "badly designed" esper... a lot of her paths like like 5 points or 10 points to be very efficient... even so her 3* is good "only for a while" so not really worth paying much attention... but if anything worth mentioning in her is Camouflage and her damage which in every build will still outdamage Leviathan which was so far strongest Esper (with imperil that is). The biggest sad part of Stats path is the lack of points for Dispel... to be honest if you dont give a shit about Esper damage you can replace Bewitching Evocation for Dispel in Status Path

    As for path, I highly recommend picking Status Path, Vigor Dance while sounds good is actually a trap, top units like Roy/Ramza/Lunera have enough mp regen to not care about mp cost... only exception would be a battle against a boss with osmose so thats the reason why I put this path as an alternative.
     
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    Thanks a lot for this. I realised some time ago I had messed up with Siren's skillgrid and was waiting for Esper reset to fix that. Then I noticed Siren was the only esper left without a guide and I...felt lost :D
     
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    @kurizu, do you suppose you can make up a "future" sections with Siren's 3* or will you update it once we actually get her.

    Other than that, great job. May 2B grace all of us with her ::love::::love::::love::
     
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    After I finish each 2* Espers (that is till Leviathan) I will update every guide corresponding tp 3* Espers that will be released on that time.

    Still thinking about better version of template.
     
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    SIREN'S EVOCATIONS
     
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    Great job so far, waiting for update !

    So, is 3* Siren the new best support/healer esper ? Or should we keep Lakshmi for that job ?
     
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    Version update 2.0.0
    - whole guide reworked towards new format

    TODO
    - Siren battle example video and battle detailed description.
     
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    Thanks for the new info.
     
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    Yay thanks for the update! :)

    A little confused because maybe you mixed up the colours in the text, but the summoner path is green and the stat-boost path is orange right?
     
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    Awesome guide,the Layout is lovely. I find Siren to be just a stat esper so I went with this path, giving her all MAG & SPR with ST Reflection boost along with Dispel and Analyse which will result in a perfect 770/770 SP.
    Siren.PNG
     
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    Yeah you are right, thanks for pointing that out, that happens when you do things like that at midnight xD
     
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    Hmmm dunno if I should go for Dispel... got it on Ramuh and Carbuncle already ::thonk:: as well as Fingersnap on Odin, hmmm...
     
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    She has a threshold? It was over so fast I thought I accidentally clicked on the 2* fight
     
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    Do the Bewitching Evocation (+50% Evocation Damage) nodes work regardless of who summons Siren? I.e. Eiko or Garnet is using a different esper and then summons someone else's Siren with the Bewitching Evocation nodes, is the damage still boosted? Also, whose stats does the esper use to determine damage, the person with the esper or the one summoning it?
     
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    (FLOOR((ATK + DEF + MAG/2 + SPR/2)/100 * (1 + EVO MAG))²) * (1 / Enemy DEF) * Damage Modifier * Damage Up * Lvl Correction * Variance

    EVO MAG - this goes into Eiko/Garnet/Yuna passives that increase damage.
    xxx Evocation - this goes from Espers or (in future) equips that increase esper damage.

    Evocations goes with any unit, If that unit is Summoner then both EVO MAG and xxx Evocation takes place.
     
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    For Siren it's this one (since she does water magic damage):
    Magic:
    (FLOOR((MAG + SPR + ATK/2 + DEF/2)/100 * (1 + EVO MAG))²) * (1 / Enemy SPR) * Damage Modifier * Damage Up * Lvl Correction * Variance

    But I get the idea. So what you're saying is that the Evocation nodes apply to whomever summons the esper, regardless of whether it is equipped or not. Also, said summoner uses their own stats (and +EVO MAG), again regardless of what esper is actually equipped, to determine the end result damage of the esper.

    So a mage in your party could use a stat oriented Siren with the Evocation nodes and ST Reflection nodes as a stat esper and then Garnet/Eiko/Yuna could use a utility esper like Carbuncle, but still summon the beefed up Siren with +EVO MAG materia equipped, gaining the whole benefit of both the esper abilities and her own +EVO MAG equips/innates.

    Thus something like this makes sense in that situation:
    (765/770 SP)
    HP: 6650
    ATK: 4200
    MAG: 6315
    MP: 6240
    DEF: 4715
    SPR: 6120
    Siren Tree..JPG
     
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    Is there even a reason to get the 3* songs they're kinda out of the way
     
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    Thank you very much Kurizu!!
     
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    Hello,

    How do you tell which path is the "Status Path?"
     
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    by colours ->
    yellow - status
    green - summoner
     

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