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HK Laswell Onimaru+ vs Masamune

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by Shrike, Jan 18, 2020.

  1. Shrike

    Shrike Well-Known Member

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    Hello everyone, I have a question about equipping Lassworm.
    With Onimaru+ I can get him to max tdh and max atk.
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    However I have the rare enchant on Masamune which allows me to replace dark knight's knowledge with a killer materia (and more HP from the enchantment).
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    Now I'm not sure at all which one is actually better. ::thonk::
    Could you guys help me out please? ::run::
     
  2. Masvroh

    Masvroh "an elder brother" VIP

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    Masamune... as in Sephy's tmr?
    If so, Masamune is worse than Onimaru+
    Reason is Masamune is not two-handed. You loss approximately 30% damage compared to Onimaru+.
     
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    Masamune. you have a free slot and still hit the cap. or are you below the tdh cap? i'd build both on lyrgards site and compare the dmg numbers.
     
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    Lol you serieus? you lose 2-h weapon varience with a normal masamune.
     
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    Yes, it's Sephiroths tmr.
    So tdh > dh in general because the variance?
    Yes, I hit the cap both dh and attack. Only Masamune is doublehand not tdh.
     
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    that thing was 1 handed? didn't use it for almost a year. then it's no question which should be used.
     
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    Thanks everyone for clearing that up. Onimaru+ it is! ::haha::
     
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    2H-Katana variance is 1.3x average (30% more dmg).

    If killer is at least 50% on top of 125% from esper. So, from 125% to 175% is (2.75/2.25 ~ 1.25) is about 25% increase. (very close with 2H-Katana still win)

    If the killer is 75%, then from 125% to 200% (3.00/2.25 ~ 1.3) is around 30% increase.

    If the esper doesn't provide 125% killer, but 75%. Then, from 75% to 125% (assume 50% killer) is (2.25/1.75 ~1.35) is around 35% (more than 2H-Katana)

    If the esper gives 75% killer and your put 75% killer mataria, (2.5/1.75 ~1.5) it will be around 50% (more than 2H-Katana).

    Bottomline, it depends on how much killer you already have on him. Although, technically speaking, dropping some ATK to keep both 2H-Katana and Killer probably gives you the most dmg potential.
     
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    iBuko “Common sense is not that common” VIP Supporter

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    2h is always the way to go. Imo.
     
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    a unit with no room for killers is the same as benching it for unit exploration.

    killers are our best friends but we need to ensure our killers are changable too as we dont always fight against fairies or beasts.

    though i would look for more passive killers like scanning goggles or ravenheart. Then add a slot or two in materia to boost the gains.
     
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    Ferax Be excellent to each other & party on dudes! Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter

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    I’m also rocking an Onimaru+ on my Lasswell. It’s by far the best 2 Handed Katana I’ve got. TDH variance for the win!
     
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    I have akstars stmr. Just collecting dust
     
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    I wish. Got his 7 star from his banner, but never another copy ::rudecat4::
     
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    yes, it was 1 handed, unfortunately.
    if Masamune was 2 handed.... 150 ATK and 50% TDH it would be very close to STMR level... hehe
     
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    its crazy your build has so many stmr and my build doesnt but our stat look almost identical... did you pot him? If I had your equipment my HKL would be over 3k in atk and have better survival stats as well....

    My build is:
    Onimaru+
    Scanning Goggles
    Flamelord Armor
    Rush Glove
    Lucid Lenses
    Truth Seeker
    Twisted Hero
    Blade Art Succession
    Chocobo Adventure!

    Stats with Odin (build with both ST Reflection boost and javelin arts (so no katana 20% boost)
    11907 hp, 2954 atk 320 mag 663 mp 707 def 624 spr
     
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    He has 6. You have 5. Crazy STMR build compared to yours, yes. ::thonk::
     
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    Ferax Be excellent to each other & party on dudes! Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter

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    Get some killers on that Laswell man! I was looking for some Maneater Laswells to take down Chaos and all ya’ll Laswell folks are going epeen.
     
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    I spent most of my pots and all doors on Awol and the Christmas units, Lasswell has to wait for next week. ::rudecat6::
    I really have to do more of those vengeance unit challenges ::ink::

    You're right! I have him with Diabolos and man-eater now. Quite a lot of human bosses lately.
     
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    Ferax Be excellent to each other & party on dudes! Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter

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    Good deal! There are a bunch of Human bosses, especially all these SBB.
     
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    whoops, guess I do have STMR, but his are better when it comes to raw atk stats, as I went for survival stats. ::joy::

    Well technically my lasswell does have killer but just not man eater. Chaos is a joke anyways. I went for Survival on my Lasswell, not Epeen by the way. I will change it if you havent won the fight yet, I still have my Chair Rain with Diabolos for others to use, smh
     
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