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Ilias vs Chloe unit comparison

Discussion in 'Unit Reviews' started by XAIVIAX, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. XAIVIAX

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    I made this for an debate i was in because some one was like "Chloe is the best occasional unit ever" and i was like "how about, 'No'", so ive just spent the past hour or two making this and i feel like i want to show some more people this, becuase ive spent alot of time on it. Anywhi this was originally made in the comment section of an amino post so ive edited it a bit to make it a bit more presentable for an act post. Ive tried to make everything as constant as I could, so excuse any typos or inconsistencies you spot. Also, i thought might point this out, the way i layed all this out was heavily inspired by our great friend Sir @Memel0rd

    ROUND 1
    BREAKS AND IMPERILS:


    CHLOE
    Elemental rule
    - imperil all AOE 30%, 3 turns
    Strong memory +2 - decrease an enemies ATK/MAG/DEF/SPR ST 45%, 3 turns

    ILIAS
    Power down - second turn ATK/MAG/DEF/SPR break AOE 30%
    Full stabilizer - Second turn remove all ATK/MAG/DEF/SPR break from an ally ST
    Resist down +2 - (set 1) second turn imperil all elements AOE 50% and allow for extra abilities (set 1), 1 turn

    Summary:
    In this section Ilias wins by a land slide due to his higher versatility and more refined kit
    Ilias - 1 Chloe - 0


    Round 2
    ELEMENTAL BUFFS AND EXTRA RESISTANCES


    CHLOE
    Anti-(blank) method
    - resist a single kind of element each turn ST 70%, 3 turns
    Acedemic Aproach - Max LB buff MAG/SPR AOE 74%, 3 turns
    Acedemic Aproach - Max LB resist all elements AOE 74%, 3 turns

    ILIAS
    Gaurd syrum- resist ATK/MAG/DEF/SPR breaks 100% AOE, 3 turns
    Full stabilizer - second turn remove ATK/MAG/DEF/SPR breaks AOE
    Immunization - resist all stat allignments AOE 100%
    Enhance all - Second turn same as Immunization but your also cured of all stat allignments AOE, 1 turn
    Blockade syrum +2 - (set 1) second turn increase DEF/SPR 100% and allow for extra abilities (set 1), 1 turn

    Summary:
    While Ilias didnt beat Chloe as thoroughly as before, i still think that Ilias is the winner here. Ilias is able to practicaly nutrialize stat allignments completely, he also has a pretty awesome buff, that unfortunately only lasts one turn. While chloe is definitely alot closer, Ilias takes the win by the potency of his abilities
    Ilias - 2 Chloe - 0


    Round 3
    OFFENSIVE BUFFS AND OFFENSIVE KITS

    CHLOE
    (Blank) research
    - give an ally a buff that gives them magic killers to one of either Beast, Avian, Demon, Dragon, Plaintiod, or stone ST 50%, 2 turns
    Objection - counter physical or magic attacks with 1.8x MAG mod ST

    ILIAS
    Berserker syrum +2
    - (set 1) second turn increase ATK/MAG 100% and allow for extra abilities (set 1), 1 turn
    (Blank) spray - has the ability to inflict either poison, paralysis, or disease 30% AOE
    Secret ingredient - Max LB ATK damage 390% AOE
    Secret ingredient - Max LB inflict three random stat allignments 64% AOE
    Extract +2 - 1.8x physical damage and allow access to extra abilities (set 1)

    Summary:
    This is where things are a little bit mucky. Chloe can increase damge by quite a bit while not exactly doing things herself, so im going to say that part of the damage dealt by said unit is party hers. Ilias can do abitnof damage by him self though, with a hefty 390% mod hes nothing to sniff at. That and he can also apply any stat allignment. Its a bit weird as chloe's DPS depends on what shes buffing. But for all intesive perposes chloe wins this time
    Ilias - 2 Chloe -1


    Round 4
    UNIT HIGHLIGHTS


    CHLOE - as has been shown before has the portable magic killers for about six different races. And thats where that lists ends :P good luck chloe, you'll need it

    ILIAS
    Recover
    - can cure poison, blind sleep, silence, paralysis, and confusion AOE
    Drink - allows the use of drinkable items (this is next to useless)
    Salve - ST healing items affect all allies
    Pharmacology/Pharmacology+ +2- the potency of healing items are increased by 300%
    Special recipe +2 - migidate 20% damage and allow access to HP/MP enhancer, power down, enhance all, and full stabilizer
    HP enhancer - Second turn recover HP 100% AOE
    MP enhancer - second turn recover 75 MP AOE

    Summary:
    Id say that Ilias wins by a fair bit really. As fun as killers are, the ability to have a healing items affect everyone is amazing, not only that, but there also 3x more powerful. Got a potion that heals 150mp? Thats now 450mp. got a scroll that heals 1500hp? Now everyone is gaining 4500HP. Unfortunately the ability that makes ST items go AOE also devides the affect, and i dont feel like calculating that. Oh also, the healing and MP battery abilities are pretty freaking cool
    Ilias 3 - Chloe 1

    TLDR
    Ilias is better. He can out do her in all sections other than DPS. Ilias in my opinion is the unquestionable winner here, as all that chloe brings to the table in this test can be done with an esper or easy to get TMR (like from a 2* easy to get)
    Hes pretty cool, and i know i probably could have used some help from him during a few trials. The 300% mod on healing items is no joke


    Well thats that from me σωσ feel free to drop your opinion or give some feed back
    (Did i make you proud Meml0rd? \δεδ/)
     
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    Interesting idea, but why pick these really bad units? ::think::

    I mean I get that Ilias has an interesting niche use with drinks, but Chloe gets so outclassed by units who aren't even elemental specialists that she could never compete.

    And maybe don't mention DPS on support units; stick with their speciality. An auto attack from a good unit will outdo these units' damage output.
     
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    :P they both have some way of affecting combat it terms of DPS, or more spacificaly offensive kits. Ilias has abilities that apply stat allignments (though its not so useful) and a few abilities that deal damage, and chloe can place 50% killer on, lets say a 7* trance terra. They them selves arnt combat oriented but they do affect battle.

    As for the reason for picking these two, someone on a different platform was raving about how Chloe was a really good unit in specific situations, and i wanted to make an argument to that, that couldnt be waved away with an exuse like "theyre a limited time unit" or "but that a 5*" and ilias seemed like a good choice
     
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    I mean I think that’s hard to compare Chloe is a niche unit. Ilias I see as a alternative if you don’t have a strong healer or bard. Comparing them though. I mean it depends on team composition what your lacking and what your using them for.

    I mean it’s like comparing cedona with Desch. There both great niche units depending on the battle and what others you have.
     
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    A old school post in these meta days is always refreshing.
     
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    Yea, i thought of this aswell, but the problem, is that Chloe doesnt really have any rivals, atleast in the way i see her. To me shes not so much of elementalist, than a portable killer, so i compared them as support units. Kinda like smashing a square with sides that bend outwards into a circle shaped hole if you will. Gotta make it work
     
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    Well killers stack so if your trying to max out a killer for a specific battle.... I mean she’s probably more comparable to Desch then. As in he has a versatile kit. But is only really used if you need to add lightning element to a unit.
     
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    TBH without W cast of her abilities she is NOT very efficient. Ilias suffers from setup turns which will wipe you if something goes south somewhere along the line. His enhancements didn t help him alot, and cloe should get hers any moment now but i doubt they be solei level and god forbid they make a 4 star decent.
     
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    Personaly i think Ilias' enhancement did a deal bit more than you think it did. While ill admit the turn wait can cause alot of problems, but with special recipe +2 he has abilities to remove breaks on your allies, and remove than give immunity to stat allignments, i have alot of trouble removing breaks, and it sucks.
    Than with extract +2 his buffs and imperil feed off each other, use one and that one along with all the others are available to you for another turn.
    This makes ilias like a drum you have to beat in rythm to the enemies moves. Though hes still is stupid to deal with, that much is obvious
     
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    "Acedemic Aproach - Max LB resist all stat allignments AOE 74%, 3 turns"
    I think that's supposed to be all elements, not ailments.
     
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    45% full break first round. 74% team all elements resist second round. Third round she applies killers to dps. Chloe is actually very functional. I would put her comparisons closer to yan or marie.
     
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    Ah, thanks for the catch
     
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    The biggest problem with most Illias' buff is that they last only 1 turn. Stuffs from Special Recipe unlocked for 1 turn and using these won't unlock itself again, so you have to spend a turn later to unlock them if you need them. Stuffs from Extract will unlock itself when used, but they last only 1 turn.

    I totally agree that Illias has a lot of strong buff, but sadly, you can't really use them together. Unless, you are very familiar with the boss' attack patterns and can switch those up at the right time all the time.

    Chloe, on the other hand, is underrated, imo. She is very unique her ST mag killer is very strong. Granted, I haven't run her for a while now. May be I should run her again at some point.
     
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    I have a chloe though ive never ised her myself, and our friend @hakkafusion pointed out a way that she could be very useful, while i feel the same way about her being underrated, i aslo take this all with a grain of salt. her killers only last two turns, all of wich are single target. At the most she could devote all her turns to either keeping two killers on one unit, keeping one killer on two, or putting a killer on one unit while doing what every else she does. In extended combat she doesn't seem to fare well. And going back to our friend @hakkafusion, if we were to repeat his strategy on an endless loop, there would a dip in the killers affect and we could only have one killer affecting one unit, though it would keep a healthy boost in elemental resistance and a good break going. The problem is, most DPS doesnt allow for there to be a momentary dip in power, while its true you would still have the killer 2 out of 3 times, this can cuase problems. Say every second or fourth turn our DPS can throw out an extra powerful attack, we only get the benefit of the killer half the time
     

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