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Discussion in 'Arena & Quests' started by Shadowschild, Apr 22, 2020.

  1. Shadowschild

    Shadowschild Ascended Member

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    Player not only survived my assault, they countered and took a second beating like a champ.

    Would love to undetstand how this is possible and build my own fortress of counters.

     
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  2. Shr

    Shr Arena Grand Champion Arena Grand Champion Spooky Arena Runner Up S3 VIP Supporter Monthly Arena Champ S2 Monthly Arena Champ S1

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    You can "easily" make any unit have 30k hp
    That plus the lb from AWOL, made them durable.
     
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    That and Esther's built in 40% counter...
     
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    change your team. Instead of having 2 groups of chainers, throw in 2 AOE finishers with double/triple case, they will do more damage.
    I use TDH Karten and Malphaisie for triple cast AR frames (if they spark chain, they kill everything with or without the finishers most of the time), Siegnacio for triple cast AOE finish (3996 Damage X 3), Ayaka for Odin back up kills, and whatever the weekly bonus unit is. Rarely do I go past turn 1.
    I dont have any of the 5* Units this time, but my old WoL has Blitzblade, so I make him TDH so he is yet another AOE finisher. (3996 damage) That right there is 12k hp gone with those 2 finishers if timed right, and my AR frame chainers are Non elemental so they are never resisted in damage.
     
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    People building counter teams are dicks and side stepped easily with evade wod/awol and p-cecil cover/mitigate
     
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    I stopped after the first round. As I see it, the problem is twofold.
    1. Your first pair are trying to chain a double cast AR frame, which is notoriously tricky. You can see it breaking and getting 1's for most of it, greatly reducing your total damage.
    2. Your second pair did better... but were single cast, meaning that the MOST they could have done on their own was 8k total.
    There's a damage cap, set at 999 damage, modified by chain bonus. So, theoretical maximum of 3,996 that can be dealt in a single cast... unless the cast is back loaded, in which case it counts as two separate instances, and the cap is applied separately to each. Akstar's Absolute Mirror of Equity is one of them, and you can see it on his wiki page, where it says "7, 1" under # of hits. When they ban "multi-hit combos," this is what they're talking about.

    So all in all, you did...14k damage. Maybe 6 for the double cast AR chains, and another 8 for the single cast EN chains. The MOST you could have dealt was... 24k.

    See, the thing is, you can and will hit the damage cap with only 1k ATK or MAG, so having more than that is useless. As a result, most players end up building for HP and resists. Especially status resists, ailment spam is pretty toxic, and pretty easy to do. As a result, 20k HP, even on damage dealers, isn't all that uncommon. Esther is already tank AF, hitting 18K with an epeen build, so getting her into the mid 20k's while maintaining 1k ATK is no problem at all. The third unit to survive is AWoL and well... he's a tank. He hits 30k HP with ease. You dealt half that.

    Personally, I use a trio of t-cast CWA chainers (having 3 of them actually makes it easier to chain, I find). That's a total of 9 casts, or 36k HP... which is more than even a tank can have. Moreover, some of those casts are "combo" casts, so I really get 48k damage, which is waaaaay overkill. Using mages also makes them a bit squishier, so that other people don't have as hard a time taking them down. You're welcome for that, by the way.
     
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    Except Lilith, because Lilith counters are magic (literally) and cannot be evaded ;)
     
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    The most I think I could do on a tank is very close to that, around 35.6 k hp but it would be a weird build
     
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    So the 65 spark chains they did were nothing? I have a bad understanding of chaining, etc., but always assumed when I see 50+ spark chains fly that good things would happen...
     
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    The most I can get AWOL to is 30k hp... :(
     
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    Hence meet mitigated 26000+ hp cover p-cecil ;-)
     
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    The arena is slightly different because of the dmg cap
    The most I could do for AWOL would be around 33k hp but again, those builds are bad except for arena :D
     
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    Morgana :
    LMAO
    ::rudecat12::

    Seriously, evoke attacks don't trigger passive cover and counters, render A. Rain and Lilith useless.
     
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    Mitigation takes place before the cap, and is therefore useless.

    Not really. Two chainers, each casts a single move.

    999 cap * 3.69 AVG chain mod * 2 casters * 1 cast = ‭7,372.62‬ damage.

    The extra 6 hits came from Auron's LB, probably. Wasn't paying much attention. But they were in the front of the chain, so they barely picked up any damage... 6/22 hits.. maybe an extra couple hundred there? Maybe a few hundred more on the LB chains? Hell, let's be generous and double Auron's damage.

    7,372.62‬ from Hyoh + AKRain
    5k-ish it looked like from AKstar + whoever (too lazy to look)
    2K from Auron.

    So about 14-15k total.

    Hmmmmm.......::kefka::::kefka::::kefka::
     
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    I no longer feel happy when I see 99 spark chains......
     
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    The cap is only in the arena, so it's still good in the rest of the game.
     
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    I know...I only see those spark chains fly in the arena...::rudecat4::::rudecat4::::rudecat4::
     
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    Already had three of em go at cecil and he stood tall ;-) this wasn’t hypothetical it’s already happened
     
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    Hmmmm maybe I should make that second morgana 7* have one with stmr and 3 awaiting a fourth xD
     
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    My arena team is 3x Trance Terra + MW Terra and an Ayaka to cure stuff if necessary.
    I don't care if other people beat them or not cause it doesn't affect me one bit. I built them to survive a turn of damage from the AI. After that, I can OTKO every team I have come across so far... I chain 2x Terras and if a tank covers (or survives), then the other 2 chain. ::up::

    But that's only if I need to win in the arena for a daily mission. If i'm just running through quickly, I have an auto-suicide unit to quickly get the arena rewards. :-P
     

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