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List of future NV / keep your doubles or second STMR ?

Discussion in 'General' started by daima, Aug 9, 2020.

  1. daima

    daima "Hall of Fame" Member

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    For people that dont follow JP closely, here's a list of old units that get NV treatment :

    These numbers are based on JP build, remember they can stack all materia on JP, it helps some TDH or LB units outperform what they could do in GL. The damage numbers comes from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Lpvq7qUKdTnd-mgoXYifCeo34/edit#gid=1223124122 and each character is presented with name (average, burst) :
    • Aileen (186b, 437b) : earth finisher with 80% def break, 200% active machine and stone killer. She can also gives 30LB stones to the whole team without sacrificing herself. Already at the bottom of the tier list. Get one for DV. Her STMR seems more valuable than maxing her. GET ONE AT EX+1 THEN STMR
    • Balthier (173b, 238b) : lightning BS chainer or finisher. No utility and at the bottom of the tier list. His stmr is also not that useful as gun users max their attack easily. DO WHATEVER
    • Blossom Sage Sakura (161b, 254b) : lightning graviton cannon chainer or lightning finisher. At the bottom of the tier list. Her STMR seems more useful with high mag and lightning resistance. GET ONE AT EX+1 FOR DV PURPOSE (maybe) THEN STMR
    • Cloud (177b, 347b) : no utility, no need for his STMR and no great damage. Poor Cloud. DO WHATEVER
    • Dark Fina (143b , 195b) : earth and wind CWA chainer or dark finisher. At the bottom of the tier list. Yet she brings a 80% spr break if you dont wanna bring a dedicated breaker. GET ONE AT EX+1 FOR DV PURPOSE (maybe) THEN STMR
    • Dark Knight Leon (249b, 317b) : dark amoe chainer. Can buff dark resistance to 100% to all allies for 4 turns. Decent average damage. His stmr is also quite useless. DO WHATEVER
    • Emperor (261b, 395b) : Fire finisher with decent damage. His stmr is kinda outdated except for the fire resistance. GET ONE AT EX+1 FOR DV PURPOSE (maybe) THEN STMR
    • Nalu (313b , 435b) : lightning BS chainer or lightning LB finisher. Less burst than Tifa but great average damage. Her STMR is still useless. MAX HER (she'll take less space in your inventory)
    • Loren (310b, 413b) : great breaker and great wind/lightning SR damage. Her STMR is still bad so max her. MAX HER
    • Lotus Mage Fina : bad STMR.
    • Pyro Glacial Lasswell (280b , 623b) : Ice Amoe chainer and ice finisher with nice damage. Weak STMR. MAX HIM
    • RedXIII (206b, 390b) : a bit low damage but can spam 10 evade for himself each turn. Nice utility with 150% beast, demon, reaper active killer for your xon to share. His STMR is still good to this day but I think it's better to max RedXIII NV form before getting another STMR. MAX HIM
    • Sacred Shield Charlotte : still good STMR.
    • Summer Fina and Lid (153b, 265b) : 84% break, imperil for fire, ice, lightning, water and earth and some amoe water chaining + lb finishing when she's done breaking. Her damage is low in BS form and her STMR seems still very valuable. GET ONE AT EX+1 FOR DV PURPOSE THEN STMR
    • Summer Folka and Citra (154b, 185b) : Light CWA chaining with low damage. Some added utility with 90% light and water resistance with a 200% all stat buff. And she can cure all basic status ailments + stop + charm. Her STMR still seems more valuable than her NV form. STMR
    • Tifa (285b, 780b) : great burst damage and not locked to any element like riku and sora but useless STMR. Max her if she's as good as JP. MAX HER
    • Veritas of the dark (152b, 295b) : Dark SR Chainer with low damage. His STMR stills seems better than enhancing this guy. STMR
    We can safely assume with the new release of charlotte and LM Fina that all the main cast of S2 gonna get the NV treatment so keep them for now.

    I dont play JP, i could be wrong on those units. Feel free to help me make it better.
     
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    Well, the only problem with this list is that it doesn't account for DV needing mages as ALL of your recommendations for mages were to STMR or whatever them (except maybe Emperor). So in that case, what mages are worth bothering? Looks like you would want all of them because they're element tied and DV's weak elements shift every time. Worse thing is that you won't have resources to max them all, so it's kind of pick and choose, probably based off whatever DV is being released and your units to pick from.
     
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    If anyone ever wonders where the "only the strongest units are worth a damn"-mentality starts, this, this right here, this is it.
     
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    DO WHATEVER
     
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    Oh tell me what triggers you::salty::
     
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    Not triggered. If you read that in an aggitated voice, that says more about you being defensive than anything else.
    I just pointed out a fact. Lists like this, putting units in a painfully black and white context, are the source of this mentality. Thats all.

    Step 1: Black and white list

    Step 2: Forum regular reads list and sees a few valid points in the black and white spectrum

    Step 3: Someone asks "What should I do with my spare Aileen?"

    Step 4: Forum regular sees post, but can't be bothered writing up a longwinded explanation, so they shorthand it to "this unit sucks, only their stmr is worth anything"

    Step 5: The meme spreads.

    No trigger, just basic psychology on memes.
     
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    daima "Hall of Fame" Member

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    This game is run by maths. Big numbers makes the game easier. It's not dark souls, you cant kill behemoth at lvl 1 cause you are good. It's simple as that.

    And this list is just here as a friendly reminder what units could do in their NV form with a brief look at their new kit, their damage output and their STMR. And let's say Alim didnt use any creative idea to make most of them.
     
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    Okidoke. When a lightning-magic stage of DV rolls around, and you find it easier because you have Tifa, but got a second stmr from BS Sakura cause of her lower damage w/o taking things such as damage type into consideration, let me know will you?
     
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    I wish GUMI would change it to not penalize us for getting a second STMR. Make a STMRed unit worth twice as much.
     
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    kicking myself for grabbing a 2nd Nalu STMR before NV was a thing -_-
     
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    Well we couldn't haven known. I'm sure whales that summon a ton already have to sold off 5* units just to room.
     
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    Yep
    Only reason I didn't do the same is because it sucks and I was just about to it anyways just for inventory space (notice 6* nalu)
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    Always love these whale flex! I wonder how many Ex + 3 can you have ready day one? lol
     
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    Being honest, except for the units with utter trash STMR or STMR that you only need one copy, going for the STMR is not a big loss.

    When we look between the difference from EX+1 and EX+2 it is like 20~30 more stats. Not a huge deal at all.
     
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    Thanks for putting this list together. It's nice just to have all the current units in one place. I'm personally going to save any dupes and NV ones that I can when they become available. None of their STMRs are so valuable that they change the game more than having an NV unit.

    Looking at the numbers you've posted, all these units do st00pid amounts of damage in NV form, so it's silly not to NV them if/when you can. Compared to all non-NV units they are so beyond meta it's not even funny.
     
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    Unless you have 2 STMR 7* and another 5* you will just be an NV unit and not EX+1 (for Brave Shift) as you would be 25 shards short (though you might be able to get those easy enough from daily dungeon once we get it or login shards if given out in GL).
     
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    Not as much as senturion, all those dailies 5* should give him a nice stash ::ink::

    But as a reference, I have 319 7* already (and a bit under 300 stmrs) so I assume I should be fine even if I am not longer a whale ::joy::
     
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    I thought you are a semi retired whale? Only put on the whale suit when you like a unit aka that Z girl lol.

    On the flip side, I am not ready for any NV. But I did pull Zenaida on a daily on both my accounts on the same day at the same time. That was legit Senturion level. I'm glad I finally got to experience NV tier luck for once.
     
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    I still haven't got her STMR #1 b/c it's so bad! ::rudecat15::
     
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    Damn, I don't think I've EVER pulled a banner unit I wanted on a daily! -_-
     

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