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Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by Memel0rd, May 22, 2017.

  1. Memel0rd

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    Memel0rd's Unit Rankings!


    The way how this will work:
    P2P rankings are based in Best in Slot builds, maximum potential and are targeted towards experienced players and whales. Meaning the rarity of a unit is not included / important at all. These rankings look at the perspective of experienced players. Sometimes 10 man trial synergy for close comparisons will matter. STMRs are currently not included, though as the disclaimer displays, there aren't any changes in rankings when including STMRs.
    F2P rankings were based on no to a few TMR's, beginners and new-ish players and people, who don't spend any money on this game. Meaning, no 5* bases are allowed. These rankings look at the perspective of new players. This is not as frequently looked on recently, so if you have any suggestions on 4*s that should make it into the rankings, feel free to let me know. They are currently outdated and will likely not be updated anytime soon, though for beginners can still show which units will get you through the early game with relative ease.
    These have been updated with a new name: "Useful units for Beginners" as I will no longer update them but if you just started out these units will get you through a lot of early content.


    Please do note that those are personal opinions and you are free to disagree with my thoughts. If you disagree, let me know in the comments with reasonable arguments.


    Keep in mind:
    You can find most damage comparisons in this spreadsheet
    , however some comparisons have different pre-requirements, thus they are not 1:1 taken over in these rankings: here

    Units with no reviews will have their wiki page linked. Some units with significant changes to their kits will also have the wiki page linked in case they did not receive any kind of reviews.


    Units with "*" are limited units.
    Units with "**" are fully enhanced units.


    We also have reasonings for the P2P rankings where I explain all the unit positionings!

    Notes:
    Hybrid Finisher Ratings are currently not supported for the most part as they are extremely outdated in terms of damage and shouldn't be evaluated.



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    P2P Unit Rankings

    Physical damage

    Rankings 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
    Physical chainers
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    Irvine
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    Magic damage

    Rankings 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
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    Serah
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    Rizer
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    Hybrid damage

    Rankings 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
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    Nagi **
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    Kurasame **
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    Rab *
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    Rizer
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    Healers & Summoners

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    Myra
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    Morgana
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    Citra **


    Supporters

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    Elephim **
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    Debuffers
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    Kryla *
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    Tanks

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    Olberic *
    AoE magic cover tanks
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    Lucas *
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    Active provoke tanks
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    Lucas *
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    Passive provoke tanks
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    Magic damage



    Hybrid damage

    Rankings 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
    Hybrid chainers Levinson * Nagi ** Aurora Fryevia ** Kurasame ** Rab *
    Hybrid finishers Rab * Rizer Rizer Rizer Rizer


    Healers & Summoners



    Supporters



    Tanks



    Reasonings

    Physical damage
    1.
    Nothing here yet.

    2.
    Nothing here yet.

    3.
    Nothing here yet.

    4.
    Nothing here yet.

    5.
    Nothing here yet.
    1. Dragon Knight Freya:
    Freya on the ranking? Yes, you've not been deceived!

    Freya has a more frequent jump capping ability as opposed to our boy Cid and higher damage than Kimahri.

    She has a high burst every other turn and at that the highest burst damage out of all the TMR as well as STMR finishers currently. Copy some killers with MM Xon and she is one nasty unit.

    2.
    Nothing here yet.

    3.
    Nothing here yet.

    4. Crown Prince Noctis:
    Crown Prince Noctis is the prime example of a finisher in a way.
    He's focused on TDW and can achieve a ton of innate bulk, making him easier to fit on teams while not requiring an imbue either due to ... TDW, duh.
    He has 4 different self killer buffs that are incredibly common with human, fairy, undead and demons. These killer buffs vary from 100% to 150% and on top of that he has an easy time stacking killers, too. So he is more or less a Firion type of finisher.

    He doesn't have the highest burst but has a ton of consecutive damage that on paper is a lot lower due to not taking killers into account.

    Ideally you bring two copies of him since, after chaining, he can chain even further with a dupe.

    5. Star Player Tidus:
    Even though I absolutely adore FFX, Star Player Tidus is sort of a worse version of CP Noctis.

    He is a TDH LB capper, which means he has to focus on ATK, TDH, LB damage AND killers, which are a lot of stats to cover and then ideally wants some bulk. So without proper TMRs, he falls off a lot compared to other entries on this list.

    His burst is decently high and he highly appreciates external imbue and ideally imperil as it eases up on his rotation a lot. He also has his LB filled up guaranteed every other turn with a 200% LB damage buff.

    His niche over Noctis and Freya is that he's an AoE finisher, too, which isn't too common.


    Magic damage
    1.
    Nothing here yet.

    2. Draconian Princess Fina:
    DP Fina does have less bulk than Lezard Valeth, but slightly higher damage alongside an innate 100% beast and undead killer.

    She also has an element less to choose from and only has light and dark, but doesn't have that unnecessary stacking mechanic, fills the evocation gauge a lot in case you want to use golem and the best thing is that she has a lot of healing spells with dualcast, such as Curaja, Reraise, Dispelga and Full-Life, setting her apart from all other entries as the others are purely focusing on damage.

    3.
    Nothing here yet.

    4. Lezard Valeth:
    Lezard Valeth is our classy stacking mage with no guts passive, so you have to be careful.
    In addition to that, he focuses on MTDH but due to good base stats and decent passives, it's not too hard to get him to 13k HP with ~600-700 DEF/SPR. He also has some decent innate elemental resistances, making gearing slightly easier.

    He focuses on three elements, which (outside of non-element) is more or less the best you can expect. Those elements are dark, fire and lightning. He also brings innate 75% killers against humans, fairies and reaper enemy types.

    Due to no support and less damage he ranks at #2.

    5. Dark Spirit Sol:
    Dark Spirit Sol might have less damage than Lezard, but can often be a better pick.

    He's the only MTDW unit on this list, which sets him apart as he has by far the best bulk out of any unit and on top of that even has a guts passive and 50% fire + 100% dark resistance.

    What makes him really good though is that he has an innate 50% demon and human killer as well as a 150% killer buff for those two. And these two are arguably the most common enemy types, meaning he will often outrank DP Fina and Lezard in damage.

    Keep in mind though that he only has 2 elements, too, with Fire and Dark.
    1. Roy Mustang:
    Roy Mustang might not have the highest burst damage, but is more or less a fire mage version of Regina.

    He has 3 different killer buffs with 150% human, demon and beast killer, which are extremely likely to proc and on top of that has a 50% innate demon killer. AND a guts passive! Almost like christmas.

    The main drawback is that he's locked to fire, but the #2 and #3 spots are literally no better in that regard.

    2. Sakura of the Delta Star:
    Sakura is very similar to Roy Mustang but instead has Lightning damage.
    And more support with almost the same damage.
    So... why is she a spot lower?

    Well... her 3 killer buffs are objectively inferior. She has 150% killers against beasts, aquatics and undead. Don't quote me on it but I'm pretty sure aquatics are the rarest enemy type in the game or one of the rarest and demon / human types are far more common than undead.
    And as the cherry on top she lacks an innate 50% killer that Roy Mustang has.

    3. Black Mage Vivi:
    Vivi has the least bulk. Vivi has no killers, but has the highest damage potential out of these finishers, granting him an important niche if you use him alongside units such as MM Xon who mirror killer buffs.

    Instead of fire or lightning, he has a dark spell with Doomsday, but be careful: if the enemy imperils your dark resistance, you will have to gear for higher dark resistance. Otherwise you'll nuke your entire team, too.

    His burst and following turn are extremely high but again, he lacks all the neat killer buffs.

    4. Rizer:
    No real ranking.

    5. Rizer:
    No real ranking.


    Hybrid damage
    1. Levinson:
    Levinson is a TDH hybrid chainer with access to FOUR different imbues, making him quite versatile in that department.
    He also has a ton of high burst turns and even a few nice tools such as AoE resistance buffs for his elements and even 74% ATK/MAG breaks!
    His bulk is mediocre though he doesn't have a guts passive.

    2. Nagi:
    Nagi's enhancements made her catch up with the hybrid damage dealers but... hybrid damage dealers are slacking behind by a ton. The difference is extremely large to the point where I wouldn't recommend her outside of Dark Visions where hybrid chains are lazy mode.

    On the upside, she has 4 different elements with TDW, so she's extremely easy to use.

    3. Aurora Fryevia:
    Aurora Fryevia got some love via enhancements and now she shines yet again! Still a TDH hybrid chainer btw!
    She's very similar to what she was before but with way higher stats and actually has a good bulk compared to Levinson and especially Kurasame but unlike Levinson is mostly locked to the light element, which can be troublesome.

    4. Kurasame:
    Similar to Aurora Fryevia, Kurasame didn't change much. Still a TDH hybrid chainer, still frail as balls but at least he doesn't have the Quick Hit chains anymore. Instead he now chains with the AMoE family, making it a loooot easier to actually use him without having to rely on macros.
    He still relies heavily on the ice element and is more or less locked into it.

    5. Rab:
    Rab is another TDH hybrid chainer but actually has some support in his kit as well where he can randomly throw in Curajas, AoE MP recovers, LB fillrate and ST revives.
    He's not locked into one element and can imbue Wind, Lightning and Dark while also having mediocre bulk. In addition to that, he can also imbue allies with his respctive elements and due to more and more bolting strike chainers coming in has a wide selection of chaining partners.
    1. Rab:
    Probably the only decent hybrid finisher rn. His Limit Burst has a very high base modifier but Rab lacks all kinds of innate LB damage passives nor buffs, so team compositions that include Lunafreya or Rivera can help him out by a good chunk.


    2. Rizer:
    No real ranking.

    3. Rizer:
    No real ranking.

    4. Rizer:
    No real ranking.

    5. Rizer:
    No real ranking.


    Healers & Summoners
    1.
    Nothing here yet.

    2. Doctor Aiden:
    Quick, we need a doctor!
    While many players say that he's awful at healing, he really isn't. His straight up healing capabilities are worse than the likes of Lenna, but everything else is just sweet.
    He comes with a huge spam of high barriers varying from 3k-4k while having AoE status break + status ailment immunities, 30% physical mitigation, several high stat buffs that can make support benching a lot easier as well as T-Casting white magic.

    He even has a few extra tools such as a provoke + 20 mirage stacks, an AoE dark imbue, etc.

    3. Warrior of Light Lenna:
    While Lenna doesn't have the best support capabilities anymore, she still has her AoE status break + ailment resistances and a few ele resistance buffs while also having an AoE entrust.
    The reason why she's so high up is that she has an insane amount of healing in her kit. This can make tough fights a lot safer but she lacks HP barriers.

    4. Sakura & Ayaka:
    Sayaka is a weird mix of good healing and decent support capabilities.
    Unlike the #1 and #2 spot, she can't do all status resistances on Turn 1 and doesn't even have charm resistance in her kit. This isn't a huge let down but if the trial features stop resistance (/and) or charm resistance things can get finicky.
    Other than that she has strong heals and an Auto-Cast revive on the next turn, which is basically a different kind of reraise in a sense. She also has bolting strike chaining capabilities and strong lightning + light imperils.

    She's not as safe as Lenna and Doctor Aiden but has edges over Myra and Folka, thus the #3 spot it is.

    5. Myra:
    In many aspects she's a worse version of Sayaka with slightly higher stat buffs that need to build up first and a weird split of the resistance buffs, BUT she has one major niche over Sayaka which is Entrust.
    Sayaka also has it but can't W-Cast it, Myra can. And at the same time grants herself a strong LB fillrate buff, which means Myra can boost team comps that revolve around LBs a lot heavily. Finishers like Ang benefit a lot from her. Or breakers like Adventurer Locke / King Edgar.
    1. Morgana:
    Summoners are classes that'd like a lot of STMRs but even with them aren't super amazing, but they have one niche: bypassing all sorts of type mitigation.

    In terms of damage, Morgana is suited the best and scales entirely with MAG. She has several different elements to choose from as well as many different chaining families and light is her strongest.

    Outside of the damage she has no real niche and currently can't compete with meta damage from mages and physical DDs.

    2. Summer Folka & Citra:
    In terms of damage really not all that hot, but it is decent for turtling through fights due to all of her support capabilities with status immunity buffs and decent stat buffs.

    Her damage scales entirely off of SPR but as mentioned isn't that great.

    3. Warrior of Light Krile:
    The damage department is pretty meh but she can have a stronger non-elemental burst turn with a total of 9500% evoke modifier. This isn't amazing by any means since no imperils apply, but it's not the worst.

    Outside of that she has no real utility.

    4. Emperor Foo:
    More of an utility evoker who needs a ton of STMRs to work best (for example his own STMR twice).

    He has a lot of support and will be talked about more later, other than that more of a filler rating as he has okay-ish damage for evocation DDs and an instant evoke gauge fill.

    5. Citra:
    Filler Ranking.


    Supporters
    1.
    Nothing here yet.

    2. Elephim:
    Elephim's enhancements made her an insanely slot efficient support, but I still have to go over the obvious in a second.

    First up, she doesn't sing anymore and auto-casts 200% buffs every turn, meaning she's extremely good against dispels and works well with reraise strategies.

    And what's even better is that she combines her abilities with 75% AoE breaks. So she is both stat buffer AND breaker at the same time with some okay-ish healing. And don't forget that she has an AoE 150% LB fillrate buff with 5 flat fill.

    She lacks any form of mitigation, but the meta tanks do provide high general mitigation and partially type mitigation, though might be harder to use with AWoL due to his lack of 100% uptime on the 50% mitigation buff.

    Now, depending on your units available as with every other support on this list except for MM Xon, she can go from an extremely strong unit to a benched unit due to her buffs being barely stronger and other breakers having a lot more utility outside of that.

    3. Lunafreya:
    An often underappreciated unit who does a ton of stuff and synergyses well with many current meta units.

    Lunafreya has a lot to offer, starting from 4 different 100% imperils, 4 different high elemental resistance buffs, 200% stat buffs, good regens as well as 40% - 50% magic mitigation and even an AoE Reraise!
    Her LB support is decent as well with a strong LB fillrate buff and 4-5 LB fix fill that can be casted twice.

    For finisher strats she even has an AoE water imbue that also imperils water by 120%!

    She goes very well with all sorts of physical tanks and even magic tanks due to her high magic mitigation that can be useful for either physical covers or for attacks that can't be covered.

    4. Sweet Luka:
    Sweet Luka is an interesting one but ultimatively needs some RNG to work best.

    First off, she works well with finishers due to her imbues + chains + imperils for three different elements, but requires RNG to gain access to a spammable ability that grants a 200% all stat buff + 30% mitigation + 3k HP barrier, which is amazing.

    On top of that her LB heals 70~100% HP and applies a 12k HP regen for 3 turns which makes healing incredibly easy.

    5. Mastermind Xon:
    This is by far the most controversial pick in these rankings but I just HAVE to include him.

    Mastermind Xon is more of a damage dealer, well that's what we thought at first.

    He can copy about anything from your allies or enemies and passes them onto your team with a few exceptions such as damage mitigation.
    This means for both offensive and defensive prowess a set of a single or even two MM Xons can do wonders. The AoE Mirrors he can't maintain by himself, only with a dupe. But having the luxury of copying e.g. a 150% Human Killer from Noctis or a 200% dragon killer buff from Duke onto your other damage dealers is absolutely monstrous.
    The same way goes for other buffs. 250% DEF/SPR buff with 100% all ele resistance? Boom, slap that onto all your units.

    He's a niche pick but an insanely strong one that excels in offensive strategies and other than that provides decently strong chains himself with a ton of chain families and even 70% fullbreaks.
    1.
    Nothing here yet.

    2.
    Nothing here yet.

    3. Adventurer Locke:
    You want super high ST breaks?
    You want magic mitigation?
    You want occasional chains?
    You want an AoE mirage?

    Locke is at your service!

    Locke is a ST breaker and it might be odd to see one at the top but many trials (not all of them) are single bosses nowadays. And even against multi-target trials he can manage somewhat decently due to his on-demand 70% breaks and AoE 65% dual breaks.

    If he got below 80% HP, his LB turns into a ST 84% 3 turn fullbreak, which is just insane. It also imperils water by 120% and Adventurer Locke himself can chain with Stardust Ray and deal okay-ish damage.

    Additionally at every point in his rotation other than LB turns, he can use an AoE mirage, which means he's one of the very few units who's actually good and has a mirage at disposal.

    4. Kryla:
    Kryla is an excellent breaker and at breaking itself probably the most convenient one.

    Her best break costs 15 LB crystals but those are easy to obtain. What makes her so appealing is that, unless she dies, she will always have an AoE 75% fullbreak at disposal that lasts one turn BUT auto-casts on the following two turns again, thus enemies that self-dispelled themselves will automatically get broken again.
    Once every 10 turns, Kryla can also remove all enemy buffs, not debuffs, to not lose your breaks or imperils.

    Other than that she has on-demand ST 70% breaks, through a CD and her LB 100% all imperils and an AoE 15 LB fill with an undispellable 200% SPR buff that also costs LB gauge.

    With STMRs she can become an Auto-Provoke + Evasion breaker and is incredibly powerful that way.

    5. Summer Fina & Lid:
    A breaker with lots of different tools that compliment finishers well.

    Through her LB she can maintain an AoE 75% fullbreak while having a ton of heals in her kit as well. She has an on-demand Curaja that also recovers 30 MP and as a CD an AoE 14 LB gauge fill with a 75% HP recover attached to it.

    Her CD break even has an AOE reraise and outside of that, Fid can AoE imbue water at any point and can grant EVERY unit in your team a chaining ability, making some finishers way easier to use.

    She also brings various strong imperils.


    Tanks
    1.
    Nothing here yet.

    2. Awakened Warrior of Light:
    You can feel free to put Galuf at #1.

    AWoL has a ton of tools to work with:
    High stats, 80% innate provoke, spammable barriers + 4x 80% ele resistances, AoE 30% phys mitigation, AoE 250% DEF buff + 3k HP barrier, chains and a light imperil.

    These aspects alongside an occasional 50% general mitigation AND the Curaja spell (that can be W-Casted if you grant him a way to) make him a really supportive tank while also... tanking.

    The only reason why Galuf can be put at the #1 spot is due to no 100% uptime on the 50% general mitigation.

    3. Alphonse Elric:
    Alphonse wraps up the FMA units, which means all of the FMA units have great spots on the rankings overall.

    Alphonse feels like a slightly upgraded version of Galuf, but if you don't have the moogle charm from the FFXV event, he is way harder to gear due to only having 50% innate provoke as opposed to 80%.

    What makes him so good is the combination of W-Cast on all of his abilities behind an unlock and a super low LB cost.
    And his LB is really good. An AoE 200% DEF/SPR buff, 50% mitigation and a 4000 HP barrier on 22 crysts? Spam that, please!

    And on top of that, he chains decently with the Stardust Ray family while spamming 4k HP barriers on himself, too.

    4. Warrior of Dawn Galuf:
    Galuf compared to AWoL lacks some of the supportive capabilities but instead can be safer for players with less unit set up as he also has 80% provoke but also 10% evasion, making him easier to gear as an evasion tank.
    Additionally his LB has a 100% uptime on the 50% general mitigation, which can help out a lot.

    Other than that he has fire and light imperils as well as the respective element resistance buffs but lacks all of the other supportive capabilities.


    5. Olberic:
    Olberic as well as all following tanks don't have anything over Galuf nor AWoL other than, in his case, the combination of an AoE Cover + 40% mitigation on his Limit Burst.

    That's what you'd think but AWoL's CD ability does just the same while not needing an external push to get it on Turn 1, making him worse in every possible area and thus the #3 spot.
    1. Paladin Cecil:
    Paladin Cecil is probably the best unit in all of these rankings. Why?

    He can W-/T-Cast all of his abilities, including his cover, while constantly spamming a self 75% general mitigation that makes him incredibly tanky.
    That's not all, he also provides A TON of supportive capabilities that make a lot of buffers redundant. He can maintain AoE 180% all stat buffs + 80% all ele resistance buffs fully while keeping all of his tanking intact and even an AoE 50% mitigation Limit Burst because WHY NOT.

    If you have the gear for it you can also make him your AoE magic cover tank + provoke tank due to his innate 50% draw attacks, high stats and huge mitigation. Alternatively he can just use a Provoke.

    2. Lucas:
    Lucas is also an amazing tank in both magic covering as well as provoking.

    He doesn't have a multi-castable AoE cover nor does his LB merge mitigation + cover on his LB, though has a magic mitigation version of that as a CD ability. He has a ton of support in his kit, which makes him such a good pick in both departments.
    He has three different imbues with Fire, Wind and Ice that can be ST OR AoE while also providing the respective imperils and even both physical and magic mitigation.

    Interestingly enough, his LB has an AoE 50% mitigation + an AOE 2x Mirage stack, but in return costs 54 crysts.

    3.
    Nothing here yet.

    4. Sacred Shield Charlotte:
    Sacred Shield Charlotte is a fine magic tank that can also do both provoking and covering, though has a rougher time in doing so than Cecil.

    Her main selling point is the AoE cover + magic mitigation in the same turn via LB while also having a low cost on it. This makes her a strong pick against dispel heavy fights or even fights where she risks dying as she can get the team backed up quickly.

    Her support is a bit lackluster but she has a ton of counters. Perhaps.... TOO MANY!

    5. White Knight Noel:
    White Knight Noel lacks behind pretty heavily but got some much needed support with his latent abilities.

    He can cover normally and provides a 50% mitigation to all party members... except for himself.
    This means if you don't want to make him a provoker + AoE cover unit, he has no sort of permanent mitigation that lasts more than 1 turn.

    Other than that he can chain, but all other tanks on this list can chain as well except for Chow, so that isn't outstanding.
    1. Paladin Cecil:
    See AoE magic cover tanks rating.

    2. Awakened Warrior of Light:
    As a provoker he compliments magic tanks nicely due to his massive DEF buff + AoE physical mitigation while also providing potential W-Cast Curajas and HP barriers, easing up on healing a lot.

    3. Alphonse Elric:
    Alphonse wraps up the FMA units, which means all of the FMA units have great spots on the rankings overall.

    Alphonse feels like a slightly upgraded version of Galuf, but if you don't have the moogle charm from the FFXV event, he is way harder to gear due to only having 50% innate provoke as opposed to 80%.

    What makes him so good is the combination of W-Cast on all of his abilities behind an unlock and a super low LB cost.
    And his LB is really good. An AoE 200% DEF/SPR buff, 50% mitigation and a 4000 HP barrier on 22 crysts? Spam that, please!

    And on top of that, he chains decently with the Stardust Ray family while spamming 4k HP barriers on himself, too.

    Due to the W-Cast it's a lot easier to use his provoke compared to White Knight Noel, Galuf and Lucas.

    4. Lucas:
    As explained earlier:
    Lucas has a large variety of support capabilities that make him a really fine choice as a provoker as he compliments all team compositions well via imperils, imbues, mitigations, barriers and AoE mirage.

    His LB isn't bound to an AoE cover, thus enabling him to be an effective provoker.

    5. White Knight Noel:
    You'd think he'd still be the #1 spot but sadly, how team compositions work, he doesn't fit in as the #1 spot anymore.

    He has a self provoke that grants a self 50% phys / mag mitigation, which is insane. But his AoE mitigation doesn't include himself, though with 50% you won't bring another unit that'll boost it for you, thus leaving him at 50% phys / mag mitigation and it's likely you'll bring another unit who has either (or both) type mitigations to cast on your party.

    In most team comps today this means Noel is actually less tanky since he doesn't gain anything from the AoE type mitigations and he likely won't receive a general mitigation buff. If he does, you'd use it for a single unit and he'd become pretty tanky again, but in a realistic scenario I'd much rather bring Cecil, Lucas or AWoL.
    1. Paladin Cecil:
    Despite only having 50% draw attacks, the moogle charm can fix this. And his supportive capabilities are on the level of meta supports, turning Paladin Cecil into an extremely tanky provoker that doesn't need evasion and has an insane amount of support stuff in his kit.

    For the rest, see AoE magic cover tanks rating.

    2. Awakened Warrior of Light:
    With 80% draw and a ton of supportive abiities, he can do extremely well.

    Additionally, as a provoker he compliments magic tanks nicely due to his massive DEF buff + AoE physical mitigation while also providing potential W-Cast Curajas and HP barriers, easing up on healing a lot.

    3. Lucas:
    Despite only having 50% draw, the event moogle charm fixes that up easily.

    As explained earlier:
    Lucas has a large variety of support capabilities that make him a really fine choice as a provoker as he compliments all team compositions well via imperils, imbues, mitigations, barriers and AoE mirage.

    His LB isn't bound to an AoE cover, thus enabling him to be an effective provoker.

    4. Alphonse Elric:
    Alphonse wraps up the FMA units, which means all of the FMA units have great spots on the rankings overall.

    Alphonse feels like a slightly upgraded version of Galuf, but if you don't have the moogle charm from the FFXV event, he is way harder to gear due to only having 50% innate provoke as opposed to 80%.

    What makes him so good is the combination of W-Cast on all of his abilities behind an unlock and a super low LB cost.
    And his LB is really good. An AoE 200% DEF/SPR buff, 50% mitigation and a 4000 HP barrier on 22 crysts? Spam that, please!

    And on top of that, he chains decently with the Stardust Ray family while spamming 4k HP barriers on himself, too.

    5.
    Nothing here yet.












    Useful Units for Beginners
    (Beginners, near to no TMR's, no 5* base units, Cheap Enhancements only)

    Physical Chainer Physical Finisher Magic Chainer Magic Finisher Healer Buffer Debuffer Tank
    1.Agrias** 1.Cupid Artemios*/** 1.Lexa 1.Garnet** 1.Tilith* 1.Yan* 1.Ling*/** 1./2.Mystea / Shylt
    2.Camille 2.Killian 2.William 2.Rubicante 2.Roselia** 2.Soleil** 2.9S* 1./2.Barusa*/**
    3.Aura 3.Firion** 3.Victoria** 3.Victoria** 3.Yan* 3.Rikku 3.Desch 3.Liquid Metal Slime*/**
    4.Pirate Jake* 4.Setzer 4.Shantotto 4.William 4.Luka** 4.Ryumynui 4.Warrior of Light 4.Warrior of Light**
    5.Zidane 5.Cor 5.Ashe 5.Veritas of the Waters 5.Aria 5.Crowe 5.Veritas of the Waters 5.Cagnazzo
    Mobile Useful Units for Beginners
    Physical Chainer Physical Finisher Magic Chainer Magic Finisher Healer Buffer Debuffer Tank
    1.Agrias** 1.Cupid Artemios*/** 1.Lexa 1.Garnet** 1.Tilith* 1.Yan* 1.Ling* 1./2.Mystea / Shylt
    2.Camille 2.Killian 2.William 2.Rubicante 2.Roselia** 2.Soleil** 2.9S* 1./2.Barusa*/**
    3.Aura 3.Firion** 3.Victoria** 3.Victoria** 3.Yan* 3.Rikku 3.Desch 3.Liquid Metal Slime*/**
    4.Pirate Jake* 4.Setzer 4.Shantotto 4.William 4.Luka** 4.Ryumynui 4.Warrior of Light 4.Warrior of Light**
    5.Zidane 5.Cor 5.Ashe 5.Veritas of the Waters 5.Aria 5.Crowe 5.Veritas of the Waters 5.Cagnazzo





    In the past I worked together with @Jose and later on @Parade on these rankings. For a long time now I have been working on them alone, so if they aren't always up to date, please keep in mind that I am not always able to update them right away.

    Thanks to @Synsilliusarian for providing me with a tool that makes updating these rankings a lot easier and more convenient.



    Have a nice day!
     
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    Why isnt there a 5 base in the f2p attackers bracket while theres rem all over the place in other brackets.?
    Getting rem is harder than getting firion for sure.
    But its not like a f2p cant get any 5 base attackers tho..
     
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    Like in Jose's previous ones, 5* receive huuuuuge drop offs in rating for being a 5*. Because a f2p can't really decide which one they'll get really. That being said, Rem is still really incredible etc.
     
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    If basing of f2p friendly and the zero need for tmr to become good units I think luneth will take this cake.
    Without tms luneth is the best thing you can build.. even if hes a 5 base. You dont even need a zidane and grinded him to be effective.
    Firion with no dw no tm and even pots.. eh.. just lacking.
     
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    Thanks for the work :)

    There is a small error:
    F2P Magic Attackers: 5th place is Rems sprite instead of Ace
     
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    It's fixed + It should've been rem in the first place. ^^ Ace is not on the F2P list anymore
     
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    Yeah, I feel like we kind of need a blend here, as most of us long-time FTPs probably fall somewhere in the middle, with a few 5* bases (unless supremely unlucky) & a few common farmed TMRs (DW, DC etc), good event weapons/materias etc. So neither of these lists really apply to us.

    Also, I have to ask why no place for Noctis anywhere? I appreciate that a lot of his attacks are hybrid based & therefore his DPS may not be enormous compared to recently released units, but he should at least get a spot on the debuffers list. Warp Break & Thunder Flask can inflict all breaks & the other two Flasks can wreak havoc with just about anything that doesn't have immunities. That's almost comparable to Ling. Noctis would lose slightly due to WB being ST, but he does also contribute DPS with his debuffs. Where as Oldmandude has a place on the list , but can only debuff ST Atk & Mag (without his exclusive materia, which nobody ever equips), light resist & ST silence/stop/confuse, one at a time.
     
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    Quote: "First off: MAG / ATK Breaks are always better than DEF / SPR / Elemental breaks, because those just increase the damage you are dealing. But most bosses require to surive everything and deal rather small damage overtime, that's why ATK / MAG Breaks > the others."

    Noctis is not bad at all, this ranking is just role specified. Yes, his warp break does break attack and def, but those are only 30%. 10% more breaks are way higher than you might think. Orlandeau can inflict ATK and MAG on the same turn, too, with 10% more breaks.
     
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    Fair enough. I normally use my Ling to break in most cases anyway (lets Orlandeau get straight down to business), but I tend to take Noctis for the harder fights as I don't have 100% evade (yet) & Noctis is easier for me to keep alive (higher HP & Damage Warp).
     
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    Noctis, like I said, is Really good. I usually only use him for his cover. In gilgamesh trial his thunder flask is also really good, break + thunder seal.
    But for a specific category, he doesn't exceed in anything anymore really. Overall still great
     
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    Nice that you're reworking on it Meme and Jose, I really liked Jose's ranking before.

    Suggestion and current testing I've done... As P2P, Reberta > Aileen currently.
    Yes she chains with herself, but it's tricky, even more so if you DW both of her.
    While Rebeta is 7 Hits and Chain perfectly with herself AND with landus. Hence doing more Damage.
    I'm only using Aileen for her MP recovery now in my Team... I know kind of sad, but until she gets her enhancements (if they come), to me reberta > Aileen.

    Also, it has been calculated (I need confirmation) that Rebeta's Jump chaining was doing almost same damage as Orlandeau's chain...

    Another point to put reberta above Aileen, and I love Aileen, much more waifu material.


    Anyway, keep up the good work.
     
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    The main point, why we put Aileen > Reberta is, that Aileen has far more versatility in builds and doesn't require turns to set up. Yes, Reberta deals more damage overall, but she is still slow. Physical chainers tend to pretty much clear everything really fast rn, meaning turns to setup will slow you down quite a bit.
     
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    How does she chain with Orlandeau? I've been pretty much ignoring the Rebertas on my list, but I may have to check this out!
     
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    It's a bit tricky, gotta launch Landu first, since he has a bit of latency before his first hit lands.

    I have the 3 of them, Aileen/Landu/Reberta. Had several perfect chains with 2 landu (of course), several perfect chain with 2 reberta (needs practice, a bit), never had once a perfect chain with 2 Aileen...

    So Yeah, I love her MP recovery since I don't have Noctis, and yes, she can wear any weapon, but she doesn't get any ATK boost from wearing particular weapon, and the only bonus she gets is when using her imperil with her TMR.

    If Reberta not above Aileen, she should at least be on Par. Mystic thrust chain out the box on turn one like any of the above.
     
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    I'd like to say that jumps aren't affected by killers nor elements, so trying to make Reberta over Aileen in that way it's kind of a stretch, not counting utility as well.

    Also, Reberta needs 1 turn worth of setup to get her "mega jump" going, while Aileen can just go ham by only using 1 move basically.
     
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    Nice rebuild of the rankings. Only thing i would change/add/etc is concerning the limited units in the F2P rankings since new players won't be getting them unless gumi graces them with a banner with them. Other than that, i mostly agree on the rankings and might elaborate more on it as soon as i get some sleep (which won't be happening for the next 9 hours)
     
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    jump isn't all Reberta has though, she can chain better than Aileen and she can finish.
     
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    Aileen is one of the best chainers if you put your mind into it. By that i mean having Aileen be on slot 1 & 3 or slot 4 & 6. Tested out by some people i know in jp, this way, she perfect chains.

    As for Reberta she has 3 skills that drop elemental resistance, which is quite useless for the fact that jumps, her main way of damage, don't get affected by it. As for mystic thrust, again, it takes 1 turn worth of setup to properly put it in motion.

    And, a finishing touch, her gear. She can only equip 1 single 50% attack TM, while Aileen can equip 2 of them (GS + DKS/BM). If you want to counter this argument with the fact that in the future wind veritas has a tm that adds 50% attack with spear, i can use another argument that is called Aigaion.
     
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    No it doesn't take any turn to set up Mystic thrust, you can use it right off the bat ( you could boost it to be Aoe chain by setting it up but it's not required)Jp Aileen is a top tier Chainer, ours is not. She is inferior to Reberta, she does 5 hits while Reberta does 7 ( she will be better when her enhancements hit but that won't be for a while).
     
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    Aileen piledriver = 400% base + 600% (earth imperil factored) = 1000% modifier (1st turn) + 1200% (2nd turn = 2200% mod

    Reberta mystic thrust = 400% x 2 turns x 2 = 1600%

    With breaths, which takes 1 turn of setup, it's 500% (1st turn) + 1200 (2nd turn factored with ice imperil) = 1700% mod
     
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