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Unit Review: Madam Edel (Final Fantasy Brave Exvius)

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  1. Memel0rd

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    Madam Edel is a pretty hot.... subject. What did you think?

    Already many different players are trying to evaluate whether or not she's overhyped, a good unit at all and how her odds stack against other units in GL and since she has a lot of potential in her kit I've decided to add two seperate calculations that I'll go over later in the review.
    AND HOLY DAMN it took long to calculate her.

    Other than that I hope you can enjoy!


    Madam Edel Review by Memel0rd

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    TMR: Leader of the Soiree (Materia) - Increase ATK (30%)
    Increase ATK (20%) when equipped with a gun
    Increase ATK (20%) when equipped with a fist

    STMR: Gran Reverie (Clothes) - 55 ATK, 10 DEF, Stop Resistance, 30% ATK with a fist

    Overview:
    Edel is the girl many people would date but couldn't since she'd turn you down unless you're a lvl 100 Mafia Boss. (?) I don't even know, don't ask.

    Madam Edel's base stats are great with every stat being high, though weirdly enough she doesn't have any innate SPR passives for some reason. In fact, her innate defensive passives are rather lacking with only 20% HP and 50% DEF, but in return she has a total of 100% TDW + 180% ATK with guns and fists equipped. Additionally, she has the 6x chain cap.
    If you include the upcoming gun from Mansion rewards, you'll gain another 50% HP and ATK For free. Once it drops, you can gain a ton of defensive stats super easily as she caps out insanely fast with IW enhancements and her own gun.
    She's resistant to confusion, charm and petrification, leaving a good amount of status ailments uncovered.

    If you're into using Graviga on your own units, which is pretty easy to do nowadays, you can unlock a permanent 200% ATK/DEF buff on her that lasts until death. This makes it a lot easier to achieve her highest damage potential as she has no other ATK buffs in her kit.

    She can W-Cast several abilities but except for one, all of her abilities that can't be multi-casted are therefore pretty bad by default. These include:
    - Menacing Aura
    - Warming Up
    - Thirty Punch Combo
    - Invigorating Shot
    - Back For Me

    The one remaining ability would be Shining Art - Descending Gem Strike. It costs her entire LB gauge and is a 1-hitter but in return you get an 8000% finisher that can be boosted via her CD abilities, Limit Burst and the upcoming gun. After all possible buffs it would have a 9550% modifier and coupled with her 6x chain cap, she can be a super strong finisher.

    All of her chains from here on are Stardust Ray chains.

    While her own gun is earth-elemental, you can also drop some stats to equip a non-elemental weapon or any other weapon you'd prefer. In case you choose a non-elemental weapon, you can always imbue herself with an earth or dark imbue for 5 / 3 turns. This isn't recommended as her rotation is already rather tight and she's a TDW unit.
    Her dark imbue also imperils dark by 100% while Madam Edel has a seperate, backloaded 120% imperil.

    Her main chaining move might seem weak at first, but the longer the fight goes the more potential it has.
    Via 4 different CD abilities, Madam Edel can stack a 300% modifier for each and one of them. These CD abilities get unlocked one after another, every 3 turns. Additionally her own Gun as well as the Limit Burst add more modifiers.
    Since her chaining ability, Earth Assault, is a backloaded chain with 50% DEF ignore, those quickly start to become ridiculous.
    It starts out as a 600% chain and ends up with a potential 8600% modifier.

    The limit burst itself you only want to use once as it doesn't really deal a lot of damage but boosts the modifiers of the Imperil, the finisher and the chain by 200%. If you do want to use the finisher frequently, skip the Limit Burst as that'd mean you'd skip an entire finisher due to costing LB crysts.


    How does she fare in the meta?
    Madam Edel
    varies heavily depending on what gear you can have and what units you own.

    Let's first go over the gear.
    Due to her low defensive passives, if you can't get on a decent bulk on her, the entire unit starts to become less valuable as she needs to ramp up for a few turns unless you focus on her finisher aspects. With her own gun those requirements do go down but you can't expect to use the earth element on every fight. With IW enhancements and e.g. Odin with 2x 20% HP nodes you can quickly cap her ATK and then focus on defensive stats. Try to aim for 13k HP with at least 500-600 SPR. Her double guts passive can help a lot against trial thresholds.
    If you use her mostly as a finisher, those don't matter as much as the most relevant aspect are her LB crysts. It's still nice to have though as you can boost up her finisher as well.
    As a pure chainer you certainly can run into trouble as a death mid-fight can mean that you lost a ton of turns.

    Depending on the units she also can vary a lot.
    If you can make sure to keep her alive and have units that can occasionally chain, you can gain a TON of extra damage. E.g. support units like Machina and Neverending Hope can chain. Or Adventurer Locke with Awakened Warrior of Light + Paladin Cecil. Match these units alongside some LB support to get her gauge filled up quickly and you will have an absolute monstrous damage boost if coupled with her permanent 200% ATK buff.

    In case you can't afford to run that team, her damage over the first 10 turns isn't that impressive anymore and gets beaten by Xuan Wu, who is a safe pick with huge bulk and high early turn damage as well as strong consistent damage.
    Her first turns without the finisher aren't the best but still decent.

    It's not likely that too many can easily pull off a team composition that both supports her LB gauge as well as occasionally chaining for her without receiving major drawbacks that could kill her off.
    In that case, as a chainer, she's a step up from most chainers but not a chainer that is meta breaking. Her taking a few turns to really get a ton of damage in and having potentially low defensive stats if your gear isn't great can make her a bit too risky. After the first 4 turns, which are okay but not great, she starts to outperform the other chainers quickly. But considering that many bosses can be cleared in less than 5~6 turns, this can also mean that she'll never outperform them.

    As a sole finisher she has way higher burst than Crown Prince Noctis and compared to a TMR built Cid even more damage than him, but also relies on her LB gauge without any guaranteed fills. This means that her performance as a finisher can yet again heavily vary. If you use a healer like Myra you can potentially get her Limit Burst every turn and she'd be nuts.

    Her TMR can be quite specific and might not see a lot of usage outside of her own builds while her STMR is definitely worth chasing if you're a whale. 55 flat ATK by itself is by far the highest ATK on a chest piece we have and in addition to that it comes with a 100% stop resistance. Since a good amount of meta units have fists in their BiS builds due to Sabin STMR stacking, her STMR could boost that up even further due to its 30% ATK passive with fists.


    Build + Maths:
    Tiger Fangs (FFBE) (173 ATK)
    Madam Edel Gun? (152 ATK, 50% ATK/HP)
    Power Amplifier (40 ATK, 25 DEF/SPR, 30% ATK)
    Catastrophic Vest (30 ATK/SPR, 50 DEF, 15% HP)
    Hermes Sandals (FFV) x2 (80 ATK, 100% TDW)
    Leader of the Soiree (70% ATK) + 2x Guts
    Long Training Pays Off (60% ATK)
    Soaring Heart (60% ATK)
    Free Materia Slot 1

    Stats with Asura:
    9877 HP
    502 MP
    2855 ATK
    519 DEF
    367 SPR

    Tiger Fangs (FFBE) (173 ATK) + 20% HP/ATK, 10% HP
    Madam Edel Gun? (152 ATK, 50% ATK/HP) + 40% ATK, 10% HP
    Power Amplifier (40 ATK, 25 DEF/SPR, 30% ATK)
    Catastrophic Vest (30 ATK/SPR, 50 DEF, 15% HP)
    Hermes Sandals (FFV) x2 (80 ATK, 100% TDW)
    Leader of the Soiree (70% ATK) + 2x Guts
    Adventurer V (40% ATK/DEF/SPR)
    Chocobo Adventure! (20% HP/MP, 30% ATK/DEF/SPR)
    Free Materia Slot 1

    Stats with Asura:
    13716 HP
    631 MP
    3039 ATK
    728 DEF
    562 SPR

    ATK post 150%: 3115 RH
    Assuming spark chains


    Rotation:
    Turn 1: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 2: Earth Assault x2
    Turn 3: Dominion Gem - Dictator + Earth Assault
    Turn 4: Limit Burst
    Turn 5: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 6: Divinity Gem - Conquest + Earth Assault
    Turn 7: Earth Assault x2
    Turn 8: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 9: Destruction Gem - Tyrant + Earth Assault
    Turn 10: Earth Assault x2
    Turn 11: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 12: Distintegration Gem - Perfection + Earth Assault
    Turn 13: Earth Assault x2
    Turn 14: Earth Assault x2


    Turn 1: 3115^2 x ( 2 x 4.3775 + 6 x 6 ) x 1.6 + 3115^2 x 12 x 6 x 2.2 = 2231819375
    Turn 2: [ 3115^2 x ( 13 x 4.3775 + 17 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 30 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 7234690598
    Turn 3: [ 3115^2 x ( 4 x 4.3775 + 12 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 42 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 7290246413
    Turn 4: 3115^2 x 30 x 2.56 x 2.2 = 1639456896
    Turn 5: 3115^2 x ( 7 x 4.3775 + 11 x 6 ) x 1.6 + 3115^2 x 32 x 6 x 2.2 = 5599032515
    Turn 6: [ 3115^2 x ( 5 x 4.3775 + 17 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 62 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 10585757571
    Turn 7: [ 3115^2 x ( 29 x 4.3775 + 33 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 62 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 14877804492
    Turn 8: [ 3115^2 x ( 10 x 4.3775 + 14 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 62 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 10668744403
    Turn 9: [ 3115^2 x ( 6 x 4.3775 + 32 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 74 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 14009351300
    Turn 10: [ 3115^2 x ( 35 x 4.3775 + 39 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 74 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 17743972202
    Turn 11: [ 3115^2 x ( 13 x 4.3775 + 17 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 74 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 12870323678
    Turn 12: [ 3115^2 x ( 7 x 4.3775 + 60 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 86 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 19354183578
    Turn 13: [ 3115^2 x ( 41 x 4.3775 + 45 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 86 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 20610139912
    Turn 14: [ 3115^2 x ( 41 x 4.3775 + 45 x 6 ) + 3115^2 x 86 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 20610139912


    Average Turn 1-10: 9,188,087,576
    -> 116% of Aldore King Rain's damage ( 7,897,637,866 )
    -> 116% of Physalis' damage ( 7,922,163,265 )
    -> 115% of Agent Olive's damage ( 7,965,444,263 )
    -> 113% of Erik's damage ( 8,075,438,596 )
    -> 95% of Xuan Wu & Qing Long's damage ( 9,670,686,881 )


    Average Turn 1-14: 11,808,975,917
    -> 150% of Aldore King Rain's damage ( 7,897,637,866 )
    -> 149% of Physalis' damage ( 7,922,163,265 )
    -> 148% of Agent Olive's damage ( 7,965,444,263 )
    -> 146% of Erik's damage ( 8,075,438,596 )
    -> 122% of Xuan Wu & Qing Long's damage ( 9,670,686,881 )

    200% ATK buff: 3232 LH | 3253 RH
    Assuming spark chains


    Alternate Rotation:
    Turn 1: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 2: Descending Gem Strike
    Turn 3: Dominion Gem - Dictator + Earth Assault
    Turn 4: Descending Gem Strike
    Turn 5: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 6: Divinity Gem - Conquest + Earth Assault
    Turn 7: Descending Gem Strike
    Turn 8: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 9: Destruction Gem - Tyrant + Earth Assault
    Turn 10: Descending Gem Strike
    Turn 11: World Crusher + Earth Assault
    Turn 12: Distintegration Gem - Perfection + Earth Assault
    Turn 13: Earth Assault x2
    Turn 14: Descending Gem Strike


    Turn 1: 3253^2 x ( 2 x 4.3775 + 6 x 6 ) x 1.6 + 3253^2 x 12 x 6 x 2.2 = 2433946726
    Turn 2: [ 3232^2 + 3253^2 ] x 81.5 x 6 x 2.2 = 22621742741
    Turn 3: [ 3253^2 x ( 4 x 4.3775 + 12 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 24 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 5436210827
    Turn 4: [ 3232^2 + 3253^2 ] x 84.5 x 6 x 2.2 = 23454444928
    Turn 5: 3253^2 x ( 5 x 4.3775 + 9 x 6 ) x 1.6 + 3253^2 x 24 x 6 x 2.2 = 4637247983
    Turn 6: [ 3253^2 x ( 5 x 4.3775 + 17 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 54 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 10427009023
    Turn 7: [ 3232^2 + 3253^2 ] x 87.5 x 6 x 2.2 = 24287147115
    Turn 8: [ 3253^2 x ( 8 x 4.3775 + 12 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 36 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 7520041203
    Turn 9: [ 3253^2 x ( 6 x 4.3775 + 32 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 66 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 14300347068
    Turn 10: [ 3232^2 + 3253^2 ] x 90.5 x 6 x 2.2 = 25119849301
    Turn 11: [ 3253^2 x ( 11 x 4.3775 + 15 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 48 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 9921009098
    Turn 12: [ 3253^2 x ( 7 x 4.3775 + 60 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 78 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 19989557858
    Turn 13: [ 3253^2 x ( 37 x 4.3775 + 41 x 6 ) + 3253^2 x 78 x 6 ] x 2.2 = 20392891131
    Turn 14: [ 3232^2 + 3253^2 ] x 93.5 x 6 x 2.2 = 25952551488


    Average Turn 1-10: 14,023,798,791
    -> 178% of Aldore King Rain's damage ( 7,897,637,866 )
    -> 177% of Physalis' damage ( 7,922,163,265 )
    -> 176% of Agent Olive's damage ( 7,965,444,263 )
    -> 173% of Erik's damage ( 8,075,438,596 )
    -> 145% of Xuan Wu & Qing Long's damage ( 9,670,686,881 )


    Average Turn 1-14: 15,463,856,892


    Character Design: 5/10
    Sprite: 9/10
    Chainer: 8.5~9.5/10
    Finisher: 9/10
    Trust Master Reward: 9/10
    STMR: 9.5/10
    Arena: 6.5/10
    Limit Burst: 7.5/10
    Future Proof: 9/10
    Free 2 Play: 8/10
    Pay 2 Play: 9.5/10
    Personal Rating: 8/10
    Optimal Rating: 9/10




    Conclusion:
    One thing about Madam Edel should be clear:
    Due to all of our GL buffs and exclusive units, she isn't the same step up compared to her JP release. In GL we have so many more options that rival her and players who have even Aldore King Rain really have no need to pull for her at all.
    In that regard, yes, she is overhyped.
    But her hype is still reasonable as her potential isn't unrealistic to achieve and oh man that potential damage is nuts. If you can get her LB gauge filled up occasionally alongside having occasional chains, which isn't too hard to get via the better meta units, you can have a unit that has very frequent, super high bursts and outperforms most other chainers super quickly. Even Xuan Wu after a few turns can start to become jealous.
    For players who can't meet those requirements and already have chainers that are in or near the top 5, you don't need her. Especially if you can't keep her alive I'd say she's not a great unit at all.
    Overall she's strong but assuming you don't use her full potential she's most definitely worse than Xuan Wu and not a big step up. Thus she can be skipped. Trials just don't last 14+ turns anymore in almost all cases.
    That being said, Madam Edel can last for a long time. As trials start to last longer she can get the chance to unlock her full damage potential and once you got some nice gear can also be quite bulky with 2 guts passives.



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    I'm still not sure if I want to go for Edel, but if you did I hope you enjoy her.
    Obviously some of you might go for her because they like her character. Or... something else.


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    Thanks for the review for my first 3350 atk (useless epeen build) unit ::rudecat5::
     
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    Woo!!! Got her, STMRed her, now I need to get me a better friggin' tank to protect her. ::raegen::

    Good job on the review! Thanks as always! ::rudecat11::
     
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    Aldore Knight Rain? Are u sure Meme?
     
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    Thx for the rew. I got way more into Tifa now due to her enhancments. Solid pass for me. Shes most likely to be crept within a month. Cheers and have a good weekend!!
     
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    huh?

    nice review tho!
     
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    Yes she's half elf half whatever. My parents would kill me if i was dating "something" like that.

    And cause people on this forum get everything wrong, yes it's a troll.
     
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    But... Orcs were elves at some point (it depends actually, sometimes it's elves, sometimes it's some sort of plant like lifeform, some are just different species all together, there are quite a lot of versions or the orcs depending on the universe/story/book/game you look at), and yet people like elves and hate orcs. Why wouldn't your parents not let you date an orc ?
     
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    I do wonder how popular she’ll be in global

    checking today I have no joke

    67 xuan wu friends
    4 madam edel
     
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    Most of those xuan wu friends won't pull for her, so you'll likely not see a major increase.
     
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    Odin has 2x 10% HP not 20%.
     
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    Are you sure the Warming Up is a bad move? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could use it at the start of the fight since the unlocked mitigation moves don't disappear until you've used them. You can save them for difficult turns, and the mitigation moves themselves can be multi-casted.
     
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    The lack of SPR passives is a bit painful. Didn't expect her to be this low (mines like ~400 spr with door pots). The Graviga trick is new for me, thanks for mentioning it.

    How come yu don't like the character design? ::rudecat17::
     
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    I was about to ask same thing, 75% mag/phy mitigation is something that will definitelly help her survive. The fact that she can apply both of them in one turn makes it important (at least for me) but there is one but, once the unit gets dispelled, your one use mitigations are gone.
     
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    But I read somewhere that u could stack warming up. To have more mitigation’s if u need em. Just use warming up, whenever it fits. But no idea, if that really works.
     
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    are they gone after a dispel?iirc unlock abilities can not be dispelled, only the active effects.
    using them would make her ramp up even longer. imo a cool but niche move. stacks with general mits. the unlock skill itself can also not be w-casted.
     
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    Would it though? Ramp up takes so long because you have to wait for the cool-down moves to become active. Therefor you can use it at the start of the battle when the damage output is smallest and you can't use cool-downs or lb anyway.
     
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