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(VOTE) Akstar VS Esther VS Zeno

Discussion in 'Unit Discussion' started by ELDEN, May 8, 2019.

Which unit worth using UOC and why? Any answer will be very much appreciated!

  1. Akstar

    6 vote(s)
    3.8%
  2. Esther

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    73.1%
  3. Zeno

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    20.5%
  4. Regina

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    2.6%
  1. ELDEN

    ELDEN Ascended Member

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    Which unit worth using UOC and why? Any answer will be very much appreciated!
     
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    Because we don't know how good Zeno will be, I'd go with Esther. Even with her non-STMR-BiS she is stronger than Akstar with his STMR, has an easier rotation, doesn't need a long setup and has way more bulk than Akstar. (Being immun to Charm and Stop -without being the TMR ability- is insane on its own, but add to that a good DEF and high HP in combination with 30% evasion and a 500 to 2k self heal.)

    Only downside: her main chaining family (Bolting Strike) is limited to her and Sylvie (via ability to other units), but there's a good chance that other GLEX will get these frames too, starting right now with Zeno. And with her own kit she can only imperil and imbue Lightning, other elements have to be imbued/imperiled separately (or a 1-handed Greatsword with elemental attack is used, losing some damage).

    Akstar on the other hand has more common chaining families (DR, AT and AR - Esther also has AT, but it's not worth using) and two elements he can imbue and imperil (Fire/Ice). He is also not that hard to gear, with high innate TDH (200% with his TMR equipped) and Katana support, which is found among 4* units (Suzume, Chizuru, Gravey). But as said, he needs more time to build up his damage, has a problem with death (starting to stack from the beginning) and is still weaker and less bulky.
     
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    We know close to nothing about Zeno. No one can say anything about that. From what we already know, what Esther has to offers is worth a set of UoC.

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    We don’t know anything about Zeno, so he might be only Akstar level and not Esther level. As for Regina...if she isn’t nerfed, then maybe

    But by that time, Zeno will have been released, so you’d have to wait anyways...
     
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  5. The Flash

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    Esther pretty much doesn’t have a downside

    Can spam damage
    Tanky as can be
    Immune to stop and charm
    Self sustaining
    Self imbue
    Imperil
    Self buff
    Counter full break

    Need I go on?
     
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    You forgot self healing

    Her AT is good with nice healing and MP recovery but not her main damage.
    Also her main is AR family and we see some tanks have AR so you can chain with her in off turns for the tanks.
     
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    Esther my babe
    She can do more then dealing damage.
    Beside we still too early to invest on TDW yet (not until CG lightning for better TDW materia)
     
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    It is nice in certain situations, you're absolutely right, and I also used it -sometimes even on herself, together with her lightning imbue you got yourself a nice healing- but as you said, it's not her main damage, so not worth using for reaching high damage. In relation to AR being her main chaining family - it was obvious for me so I didn't mention it. Of course you can use tanks (Viktor, Lilith) or Breakers (Loren, DH build) to function as side chainer (for example in Chamber of Arms) during der off-turns.
     
  9. TheKillingJoke

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    Esther.

    Tanking backup
    Selfheal and self lb fill
    Not loosing stacks if she dies
    1x fatal blow survive
    Great defensive stats, especially health

    In fact one can gear her as a st provoker with golem and let her chain with an esther friend. Something i have to try in the next few hours/days.

    You either use golem for 2 turn provoke or a protagonist halo to get a second turn of provoke for her. I think its doable.
     
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  10. lupinorris

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    Esther...

    Finisher meta and not jp meta
     
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    Here's what we know:

    • Esther doesn't have stacks and setup moves. If she dies, she might lose a lightning imbue, but otherwise can continue her damage with no problems.
    • Esther buffs, chains, imbues, imperils. She needs no assistance.
    • Esther is tanky.
    • Esther is easy AF to gear, even for other elements with external imperil (or massive boss vulnerability).
    • Zeno and Akstar have to stack their attacks. If they die, their damage resets.
    • Zeno and Akstar buff, chain, imbue, imperil. They need no assistance.
    • Akstar is not tanky. (Unknown about Zeno.)
    • Zeno is probably hard to gear. He doesn't have nearly the TDW gear he needs to come close to the cap, unless he has ridiculous TDW passives. This will change, but not for a few months.
    • Akstar is hard to gear unless you get four of him. He has 110% katana passives, and there will only be one 2H katana in the game when he's released: his own STMR.
    • Regina doesn't have stacks, although she does have setup moves. Half the time she's fine dying and being reraised without losing damage.
    • Regina buffs, chains half the time, doesn't imbue, doesn't imperil. She needs imbue/imperil externally and ideally needs support chainers every other turn.
    • Regina is not tanky, but she does have some survivability abilities that get overlooked.
    • Regina is OK to gear, as there are a few 2H guns out there, and if you have the event-limited Linebacker from a while ago she may not need external imbue.
    From all that, I'd say if all top-end damage were equal, Esther is probably the best pick.
     
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    Esther can absorb Lighting and counter the same as lilith
     
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    kzzkzkzkzzzkzkz off topic but is your signature a joke on mekk-knight avram hahahahaha

    on topic thanks for your comments i think im actually gonna UoC esther at this stage since i only managed to pull a 7* sylvie .... might see if seph enhancements ++ a friend sylvie can get me through for a while though
     
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    In a pinch Esther actually has a cover tank move lol so not just tanky, if your cover tank goes down she can cover a round after threshold if you don’t think you can take boss down to raise your tank and heal everyone, then next round re- cover with main phys tank and raise Esther if needed and the following round blast with Esther and normal rotation. She’s very unique for not only huge damage but tank support.
     
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    Esther. What they said.
     
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    So either vote for the released unit that is good or 3 units that are not even out yet so we can't completely determine their quality.
     
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    Should probably wait until Zeno is actually in the game before deciding. If he's somehow even more broken then Esther, then he's the one to get.

    Seems like Esther is probably the best bet right now though. Akstar is good, but Esther will be more consistent, and have more survivability.
     
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    Okay I’ve seen a lot of people commenting about how good Esther is so let me explain how strong Regina is. One thing to note is that she comes in 2 months so you’d have to wait for the meta to pass before getting her anyways, reducing the value of your UoC.

    Now, about her strength.

    She can easily build stacks. Her bursts are extremely easy to get and just being alive will allow her to stack up. Also, her LB damage is on a similar level to Esther. Because of her consistency, she’s only slightly weaker with a Fixed Dice, non-elemental build; add and imbue and she vastly outdamages Esther. Unfortunately, the damage formula update will occur around that time too, so Linebacker SMG will probably become the best option unless you have imbues.

    Best of all, her solo damage is already really high, but as a finisher, even with, say, tank chaining, or Sylvie (broken AF because she can make chaining up easy and imbue as well), she becomes OPAF and can solo damage basically any boss. One Regina can kill most content by herself, or with chain capping.
     
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    esther

    cos we need more esther friend units
     
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    This is an echo chamber dude; your contrarian viewers aren't welcome here ;)
     
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