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Will Evoker be useful again in the future?

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    Will Evoker be useful again in any way in the future?
    Remember how we put EVO MAG on Garnett and finish cap Tornado with Bahamut.
    Evoker used to be very useful and even the biggest damage dealer available in that moment. But now they're almost unusable. Is there any evoker unit, which is meta in the future?
     
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    Citra with Bahamuth 2*, maybe, if you really want to use it.
     
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    k ::rudecat4::
     
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    There might be certain trials that require specific evoke-centered mechanics, we don't know yet.

    As for now and the foreseeable future, evokers are inferior to other damage dealers. However, there are some strong evoke units, despite not being "meta".
     
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    Evokers are great for completing esper missions and decent for support. Also Cilka is quite decent as a damage dealer. But yeah, maybe not as Garnet was used...

    Evoke damage does have a perk, though, which is bypassing physical and magic mitigation.
     
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    I know i'm pretty sad too
     
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    Nope, gumpi is trash and can't figure out how to unfuck evoke damage due to their insane power creep of everything.
     
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    Bet there’ll be an evoke damage Precusprsor that’s meta.
     
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    God i hope not, Evoke missions were the bane of my existence during story.
     
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    They already tried with Morgana. Look where that got them! ::ink::
     
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    Morgana ain’t a Precursor...we got Esther LB spam physical, Elena mod stacking hybrid, Kaito DOT solo physical, and Karten burst cycle physical.

    Where are the mages? Evokes are just special mages!
     
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    Evokers need a second evoke bar to be effective and not tied to our current max of 10 esper orbs. It's too limiting to design around a cap of 10 with mages that need to triple or quad cast just to keep up. With 2 of the same evoker, you'd end up having to have the best evocation skill cost only 1 orb ever to make it useful (assuming triple or quad cast). And cooldowns only cost 2 orbs, and the evoker would need to generate a full esper bar every turn...

    Edit: Oh, also, you forgot Tsukiko is a global exclusive mage.
     
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    Yes, but she technically is no precursor. Karten, that got cursed because he loved her, and Kaito, that was saved by her, are. Yes, she is that old.
     
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    Yeah, I realize, but there’s no necessity for using orbs.

    Also I’m surprised JP didn’t get an espers rework with all their esper units. Maybe that’s something easy we can petition for, some sort of esper bonus and maybe an increased esper bar with different esper skill costs, e.g. Shiva is 4 esper orbs, Odin is 6 esper orbs, Phoenix is 8 esper orbs, with a max of 10 per unit?
     
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    The answer is "nope"
    Summoner is ded
     
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    Sure hope they do. My Badrosa is ready..
     
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    If it doesn't use esper orbs then it's just another mage. That said, an evocation damage mage without using esper orbs would be a novel idea for Gumi. Further, making a full suit of realistic non-STMR gear for evocation based damage mages would also be a novel idea for Gumi too. They could even make it a set from the Chamber of the Vengeful!
     
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    That would also give back value to the numerous EVO Mag STMR already existing, as, well... There are 4, 5 of those around already ?
     
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    Well, the existing STMR gear is kind of a mix between white and black mage gear with both MAG and SPR on all of it. It's actually not amazing going either way, but it does give good SPR to a MAG based evocation mage and decent MAG to a summoner.

    Badrosa
    Rydia's Headband
    Yuna's Clothes
    Essence of Summoning

    Being the main 4 STMR's, albeit Essence of Summoning probably won't be used in most builds. Here's the full list for curiosities sake:
    https://ffbeequip.com/encyclopedia.html#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJzdW1tb24ifQ==
     
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